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Farmall H engine seized

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Danimal2

06-04-2006 08:15:37




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Hello everyone,

First Thanks for all the help on my last post. Just to recap, I got my farmall running and it ran for about 5 minutes if that long. I was able to put it into gear and move it maybe a foot before it just died. I can no longer turn the engine over with the starter or by hand. I have remove the starter completely and still nothing. I have put the tractor into 5th gear and rocked it back and forth. Nothing on the engine moves.

Now before I started it, I checked to make sure that it had oil and that there was water in the radiator. Now I have removed the Valve cover and did notice that there was oil on top and appeared to be oiling properly (the engine turned over by hand very easily prior to the initial startup). Upon further inspection I found that although the radiator was full of water, the block had none. I drain the oil and found water in the oil as well. I have since put Marvel oil into the spark plug holes and it has been sitting for a couple of days and yet nothing. I have not checked to see if the tractor is stuck between gears, but it will roll in neutral.

Any suggestions on what to do next and or if there is any other type of quick fix out there. I really enjoyed the sound of the tractor while it ran although breifly. It did not seem to get hot at all even to touch after it died.

Thank you for your help and I apoligize for the long post.

Daniel

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glennster

06-05-2006 11:30:32




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 Re: Farmall H engine seized in reply to Danimal2, 06-04-2006 08:15:37  
i have a couple of thoughts for you to check. try putting the tractor in neutral and see if it will roll. also try and take a peek up in the clutch housing and see if something is jammed up around the flywheel. loosen the clutch bolts and see if it will turn over then. that will eliminate anything in from the clutch back. if you have the oil pan off, fill the radiator and see if any water leaks into the crankcase. also try and pressure test the radiator to see if you can force any water through a crack in the block. the water may have just been rainwater or condensation. you may want to pull the head and pull the pistons to check the rings for rust. good luck

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danimal2

06-05-2006 16:59:06




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 Re: Farmall H engine seized in reply to glennster, 06-05-2006 11:30:32  
Thank you for your reply. Yours seems to be along the lines that I am starting to think. I pulled the oil pan and the valve cover and everything looks to good. I do not have any history on this tractor. It is set up for LPG and does not look as if it is all hooked up right as far as the LPG is concerned.

The tractor does roll in Neutral. I do have the inspection plate for the clutch off, but have not taken a flashlight to inspect it as of yet. I will do that on Wed. or Thurs., my day off.

Can one replace bearings without pulling the whole thing apart.

Thank you again for your informative reply,

Daniel

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Nebraska Cowman

06-04-2006 12:20:55




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 Re: Farmall H engine seized in reply to Danimal2, 06-04-2006 08:15:37  
How much water was in the oil? Water makes good pressure but a poor lubricant. I'd guess you have a bearing seized. I never start an unknown engine without checking for water in the oil. More engines are ruined by neglegence than normal wear.
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danimal2

06-04-2006 12:49:23




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 Re: Farmall H engine seized in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 06-04-2006 12:20:55  
I would say there was about a quart to a quart and a half. My first tractor and the previous owner stated that he did have it running (although I still question that). I was excited to get spark with the new magneto and just got carried away I guess. I just would not have thought that having it running for less than five minutes would have such an effect. I am almost still thinking that it could be something else, I just don't know what.

Now a seized bearing would mean a complete tear down would it not.

Thank you for your time,

Daniel

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Animal

06-04-2006 12:01:09




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 Re: Farmall H engine seized in reply to Danimal2, 06-04-2006 08:15:37  
Have you pulled the spark plugs to see if you have a cylinder full of water or oil? I would not pull it unless you want to split it to put in a new clutch!



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Danimal2

06-04-2006 12:03:02




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 Re: Farmall H engine seized in reply to Animal, 06-04-2006 12:01:09  
There was no water in the spark plug holes, but I have now put ATF into them to see if it might loosen things up a bit.

Thank you for your reply,

Daniel



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you

06-04-2006 11:55:48




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 Re: Farmall H engine seized in reply to Danimal2, 06-04-2006 08:15:37  
sorry th o hear of delema,i assume when the engine quie there was no nasty noise or smoking.but to give a couple of thoughts ( although a tear down looks in order) was ther enough ring gap on new rings, also might want to pull front cover off and check gears. isolate cam gear and check crank for turning.are we looking at a lot of water in pan ?



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Danimal2

06-04-2006 12:01:34




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 Re: Farmall H engine seized in reply to you, 06-04-2006 11:55:48  
Thanks for the reply, I did not rebuild this engine. I just purchased the tractor and was told that it ran. I could not get it to start, until I rebuilt the Magneto and put some LPG into it. Yes a 1943 H with LPG setup on it that does not look as if it would work.

So much to my surprise when I reinstalled the Magneto and turned the gas on it started. It did blow some smoke out at first and there was some ticking noise (sounded like lifters on a car engine) but that went away rather quickly. It was not until I put it into gear that it just simply died. Almost like it just ran out of gas. That is when I tried to restart it and found that nothing was turning. I removed starter and tried rocking it, but still nothing. Not sure what to do next. Spent more money than I should have but that is the chance you take,

Thanks

Daniel

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Danimal2

06-04-2006 11:41:50




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 Re: Farmall H engine seized in reply to Danimal2, 06-04-2006 08:15:37  
Okay if you all haven't noticed yet, I am off today and may end up tearing this thing apart. I have removed the valve cover as well as the oil pan. Everything looks really nice (very surprising). Almost as if it had been rebuilt in the last 5 years or so and does not have any rust on the valves what so ever. The push rods spin freely with the exception of the ones on the compression stroke, but will spin if lightly tapped. The valves and springs seem to compress and move with little effort. Nothing seems to be bent or stuck.

I did check to make sure that the tranny was not stuck between two gears and that did check out just fine.

I guess my next step is to remove the head. I really do not wish to do that just yet, but I guess this is not a good day to get suggestions on this board. I must be the only one that is off work or not out in the fields.

If I were to hook this tractor up to my truck and try to pull it, what gear should I put it in and or would I need someone to ride the clutch to get the proper response?

Thanks

Daniel

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Don L C

06-04-2006 13:54:00




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 Re: Farmall H engine seized in reply to Danimal2, 06-04-2006 11:41:50  
DO NOT, repeat DO NOT attempt to pull the tractor with your truck! ! !

That for sure could put a rod through the side of the block....

block the wheels of the tractor.....jack one rear wheel off the ground..... thactor in 4th gear....jog the wheel back and forth..... still stuck.....pull it apart..... ..Don



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Danimal2

06-04-2006 09:14:08




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 Re: Farmall H engine seized in reply to Danimal2, 06-04-2006 08:15:37  
Just an update. The peacock on the side of the engine was soldered closed by the previous owner. So now that I have removed that plug there is plenty of water in the block. Now I am really shocked. Engine had oil and oil pressure, but granted there was water in the oil, and it had water in the block. Ran it less than five minutes and everything seems seized. Can the clutch have something to do with this?

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Dan S (NY)

06-04-2006 13:07:27




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 Re: Farmall H engine seized in reply to Danimal2, 06-04-2006 09:14:08  
I'd probobly drop the oil pan at this point and have a look. You could then remove the rod caps and see if you can move any of the pistons. With all the rods disconnected you could then see if the crank will move. Just make sure to mark all the caps you remove so you can put them back in exactly the same position.

Good luck! Dan



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danimal2

06-04-2006 14:22:32




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 Re: Farmall H engine seized in reply to Dan S (NY), 06-04-2006 13:07:27  
Hello Dan,

Thank you for your response. I have just been looking through my rather small/expensive shop manual and it says that I can renew the rod bearings as well as the main bears from underneath the tractor. Is this correct. I am assumming that I should be able to turn the crank to get to all the rod caps.

If so, and I did seize a rod or main bearing. Would it be possible to just replace those bearings with the same size or would the crank need to come out and be reground.

Thank you,

Daniel

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Dan S (NY)

06-05-2006 09:23:06




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 Re: Farmall H engine seized in reply to danimal2, 06-04-2006 14:22:32  
I have no direct experience with the H, but I was able to replace my rod bearings on my Ferguson from underneath. My crank was in very nice shape and measured out ok so I just put in new bearings as I was already into the engine to replace a broken piston. If you seized or spun a bearing, I doubt the crank will be in good enough condition to just replace the bearings so it would need to come out to be reground. The only way to tell is to pull the bearing caps and have a look.

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danimal2

06-05-2006 17:02:40




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 Re: Farmall H engine seized in reply to Dan S (NY), 06-05-2006 09:23:06  
Thank you Dan,

I will see what I can find on Wed, or Thurs of this week and get back. I hope the crank is okay as I do not have the funds for a total rebuild on a $400 tractor that is really too big for anything that I need, but it does look cool.

Daniel



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danimal2

06-04-2006 13:50:52




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 Re: Farmall H engine seized in reply to Dan S (NY), 06-04-2006 13:07:27  
Already dropped the oil pan as well as removed the valve cover. Everything actually looks very nice. Not like something that has been sitting for who knows how long. The oil pan gasket looks to be almost new, but it was put on wrong (folded in the rear). No sludge build up on the walls and very little muck on the bottom of the pan. The oil was gray in color though.

Will try removing the rod caps, or maybe the main caps as they would be easier for me to get to I think. The couple of pistons would be tough to reach the rod caps on considering their location.

Thanks,

Daniel

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