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Josh Sampson

05-28-2006 23:00:43




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I am currently building a 460 gas with a C301 combine motor. I was wondering if anybody could tell me the factory hp rating on it. Also, I am rebuilding the motor and wanted to know what the horse power would be with a 4" bore instead of the stock bore and head work done. Another thing i was wondering is what would it be with the stock bore and head work done. I am trying to get 150-175 hp without stroking the motor. What would be the easiest way to achieve this.

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J.C.H.

05-29-2006 07:47:20




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 Re: 460 Pulling Tractor in reply to Josh Sampson, 05-28-2006 23:00:43  
You apparently already have the 301 but you should have considered the 308 Black Diamond Truck Engine.460 and 560 engines are basically from the Black Diamond Truck Engine Family and are pretty much a drop in deal. the 450 etc. are of the Red Diamond Family and are a different Animal. The SD Series are also Tractor adaptable.



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ChadS

05-29-2006 13:35:35




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 Re: 460 Pulling Tractor in reply to J.C.H., 05-29-2006 07:47:20  
The older head setup from the trucks work well. The heads are casted differently,,, the ports are huge from the factory! You cant port a tractor head as much as the truck head is stock! Also, its a high compression head,, not that the 6 isnt high enough,, but much more compression is added with it. Its like the LP head for the letter series tractors. I wonder if the truck flywheels could be used in the tractors,, dont know,, but those could run 3500rpm,,, if you could use it,,, A governor from a C-200 IH gas engine is perfect VS the combine governors,, lots of potential there,,

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460 anger

07-10-2006 13:11:01




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 Re: 460 Pulling Tractor in reply to ChadS, 05-29-2006 13:35:35  
I have a engine from a 1965 IH 1600 truck I can't seem to get the front covers to change nothing wants to line up with my 560 parts am i doing something wrong or do i have the wrong motor for this swap. if so how do i tell what motor i have. sorry if i'am to veg i'm not much of a typer if you want email me your phone number and I will call you and better explain



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the tractor vet

05-29-2006 07:35:45




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 Re: 460 Pulling Tractor in reply to Josh Sampson, 05-28-2006 23:00:43  
Well to add to Chad's post If i was doing this i would go to the max wright off the bat with .060 over bore deck the block down a bit deck the head also have the head flowed and bigger valves installed have the cam redone with new lifters and also need to know what RPM that you can run in the class that you are planning to pull in as that way you can get the cam cut for max Hp. at that range also use a 706-806 manifold along with tricking out the dist. and any govener modifcations if you are going to run a gov. If it is going to be a Bonzi motor then i would have a STEEL flywheel made as myself i would not trust the stock flywheel for much over 2500 . And one thing that everybody overlooks is BALANCE all rotating parts as this is the cheapest Hp. that you can buy. Also a MSD ing. system . Now that you have done all the work next you will have to find a fuel that will maximise all the mods. and that will be something like VP racing fuel in like the C12 range. If ya want to Play then ya got to pay.

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ChadS

05-29-2006 06:57:08




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 Re: 460 Pulling Tractor in reply to Josh Sampson, 05-28-2006 23:00:43  
it might be 90+ at the stock 460 rpm. Id keep it simple, go with a factory overbore kit, if the block will clean up at .030,, start from there. I dont think it would be 5 hp difference between that set up and the 4 inch bore. Might be cheaper to build with the overbore,, Best way to get the HP your looking for is to rev it up. Amazingly,, the IH 6 gas comes on stronger at 2500 rpm, than it would at 1800 rpm. I do know,, that the HP will read differently with the engine in the 460 chassis,, VS like a 706-806,, The pto gearing is different ratios. The 06 tractors had the 540 pto rating at close to 2500 engine rpm, where the 460 is approx 1825 engine rpm at 540 pto speed. That same engine could dyno 80 hp in the 460,, where it could dyno 110 in a 706,, Pretty big difference aint it? It will make it difficult to tune HP on a tractor dyno,,, it will take 2500+ rpm to properly get the power your looking for, your 460 PTO wont let you get an accurate dyno reading cause the higher pto rpm will show lower HP, it only reads the HP at 540,, and the harder you pull on the tractor dyno, the more HP will show till it drops off,,, Anyways,,, open up the exhaust ports,, very restricted,, the combine carb will be fine, you will have to rejet the carb,, but the venturi from the combine should be a #35, which is a very large venturi. Great for high rpm engines like the IH 6 cyl. If you rev it up,, advise proper safety equipment,, scatter blanket for sure,, and double check all your bolt torques. at 3000 rpm,, a good 301 might make 140 hp, rev it up more, and it gets stronger, and stronger. Hope this helps, Chad

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