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Allan In NE

05-22-2006 13:11:27

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All right you guys, let's argue.

Whoa be if for me to go against the popular consensus 'er anything like that, but let me run this one by ya again.

I jack 'er up, put it in gear and turn the wheel. Basket turns for half a tire revolution, then stops. Keep turning the tire and with another 1/2 revolution, then the basket grabs and turns again. Basket turns, stops, turns, stops.

I check the gearbox. No oil. None. Me thinks it's cooked inside and half the teeth are gone on the worm. Just a guess.

Plus, it needs a good number of teeth and the cross bars are all loose.

Now come on sports fans.

Don't ya think we better haul it off, swing by and pick up that #15 IH rake that I have spotted? Fellow swears it is field ready. Hmmmmm?????

Allan

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TimS

05-23-2006 08:42:09

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Re: Public Opinion in reply to Allan In NE, 05-22-2006 13:11:27

I think mostly it's just the wrong color for Allan.

If it was red, he would have torn it down and taken pictures and been mostly done painting it by now.

Haha.

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RickL

05-23-2006 03:27:01

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Re: Public Opinion in reply to Allan In NE, 05-22-2006 13:11:27

the Ih yunit looking at does look just like the old Oliver unit I had years back. The bearing holders on the bars ar really hard to come by nowdays. Make sure they okay. Personally Id stay with what you got parts may be better accessable. Me Wheel rake period. Way less headaches. I have a nice 6 wheel inline unit on lot now for sale. Put the hitch pin in and go.

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Don-Wi

05-22-2006 20:14:53

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Re: Public Opinion in reply to Allan In NE, 05-22-2006 13:11:27

Now Allan, don't you know what you got there? Its a JD Arkansas special... It's missing a few teeth!!

Nothing against Arakansas or anything to you natives out there of course!
Donovan from Wisconsin

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BobMo

05-22-2006 19:43:02

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Re: Public Opinion in reply to Allan In NE, 05-22-2006 13:11:27

Now this is strange. I just bought a NH 258 from a JD dealer with a fried gear box. Apparently the previous owner didn't own or know how to use a grease gun at all.
I think it just goes to show it doesn't make a difference what color it is if no one takes care of it..... ...

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I Bleed Green

05-22-2006 18:56:44

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Re: Public Opinion in reply to Allan In NE, 05-22-2006 13:11:27

If you want a real rake like the type your showing, buy a New Hollad 56 or newer. I sold the 56 i had a few weeks ago for $700 i had it looking as good as new, and had all its teeth.

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Allan In NE

05-22-2006 19:01:08

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Re: Public Opinion in reply to I Bleed Green, 05-22-2006 18:56:44

Are the New Hollands better than those old IHs?

The guy I'm tradin' with says he has a bunch of those 56s. Might have to put the eye to 'em before I reload the trailer for the return trip home.

Darned shame about this John Deere too. If it would have been just a few teeth and some bearings, I would have went ahead and fixed it. But, I'm just not going to fiddle with swappin' that gearbox in addition to everything else. :>(

Allan

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I Bleed Green

05-23-2006 17:19:18

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Re: Public Opinion in reply to Allan In NE, 05-22-2006 19:01:08

They are the best rake made. The older 55 does not have offset wheels. The 56 and after do. Make sure the rake you buy has offset wheels. If you would like to see a picture of the 56 i sold, send me a e-mail. $700 is good for a 56. A 256 will go for $1100 or more.

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Jonfarmer

05-22-2006 20:13:45

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Re: Public Opinion in reply to Allan In NE, 05-22-2006 19:01:08

I've seen alot of the newer New Holland 256 Rollabar rakes sell for $1,500 at auction. When they sell that high consistantly you know they must work pretty darn good. Even those old pinwheel rakes pick up the hay really good, and them are a dime a dozen, just the one I got is no good in corners, it makes a bit of a mess there.

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I Bleed Green

05-22-2006 18:58:15

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Re: Public Opinion in reply to I Bleed Green, 05-22-2006 18:56:44

OOOpps should be New Holland

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Janicholson

05-22-2006 18:14:32

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Re: Public Opinion in reply to Allan In NE, 05-22-2006 13:11:27

At least is is not hydrostatic!! Put the bushing in and some of that near tar john deere picker grease.
JimN

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KEH

05-22-2006 16:37:58

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Re: Public Opinion in reply to Allan In NE, 05-22-2006 13:11:27

Allan,

If you are going to use those little basket rakes to turn windrows or combine windrows your Haybine makes, o k, but if you are going to do serious raking I would get a wheel rake. A 10 wheel V rake takes 22 feet at a time.

KEH

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Allan In NE

05-22-2006 18:03:53

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Re: Public Opinion in reply to KEH, 05-22-2006 16:37:58

Hi Guy,

Oh heck no. Just need something to flip a windrow if it gets rained on or maybe throw two together in light hay. Nothin' fancy, just an old side delivery rake.

Allan

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Glen in TX

05-22-2006 15:54:46

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Re: Public Opinion in reply to Allan In NE, 05-22-2006 13:11:27

All right just go sell it and admit the green one whooped ya. lol. The gear box was a piece of junk from the start and that's why below I mentioned using a hyd. motor on it instead and then you can go slow on rough ground and still rake. Gears and shafts aren't available from JD for it anymore but bearings are. The cost from JD of the little shafts at the end of reel bars the bearings go on is going to be making you see stars anyway after you wake up from passing out from pricing those too. Are you sitting down? $200+ each !! Pricing green parts sucks now days... JD doesn't even have the reel bar bearings either and you got to modify like I was mentioning below to use a 7109 bearing. All that's going to take time you may not have? Better go find a rake that's ready to work and let someone else tinker with the other when next snow flies. But if you change your mind and got to fix the green one shoot me a email and I'll send you a breakdown of the gear box and end bar bearings. I listed the wrong models below too and yours is a 850 series but either a 851 or 858 or 858A model. I'd be lost trying to find any parts for that red one though...

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Charles Santhuff

05-22-2006 14:55:03

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Re: Public Opinion in reply to Allan In NE, 05-22-2006 13:11:27

I had a rake like your John Deere and although it was heavy built and did a good job of raking the straight axle design made it break a lot of teeth in a rough field. A rake with offset rear wheels is a much better design in my opinion. Traded mine off and quit replacing teeth.

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Sloroll

05-22-2006 14:27:58

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Re: Public Opinion in reply to Allan In NE, 05-22-2006 13:11:27

Krylon is only $1.25 a can. :? )

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Jonfarmer

05-22-2006 13:52:42

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Re: Public Opinion in reply to Allan In NE, 05-22-2006 13:11:27

If it was me, I'd be tempted to take it to an auction and get rid of it if it's that bad. Get yourself a newer gyro rake, those are the cat's meow right now. But it all depends on how much hay you got and how fast you want to get it done. The older ground drives work good too. I myself got an old Massey Fergueson pinwheel rake that goes on the 3pth, they kinda stink on small fields with lots of turns, but it only cost $15 at an auction and I can get by with it for what little I am currently doing.

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Allan In NE

05-22-2006 14:20:21

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Re: Public Opinion in reply to Jonfarmer, 05-22-2006 13:52:42

Hi Jon,

I'm on the phone right now wheelin' and dealin' on one something like this one.

A #15 IH with all new teeth and a brand new paint job. They are in the process now of hooking up a tractor to it and pulling it around the yard to make sure all is well and that it is indeed field ready.

Never was any good with the green stuff, I guess. :>(

Allan

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Larry NE IL

05-22-2006 19:34:29

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Re: Public Opinion in reply to Allan In NE, 05-22-2006 14:20:21

Hey Allen,
That red and white one looks just like my old Oliver rake. If it works as good, you're in luck!

Larry NE IL

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Jonfarmer

05-22-2006 17:12:04

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Re: Public Opinion in reply to Allan In NE, 05-22-2006 14:20:21

This is one of the latest and greatest Gyro rakes. I'd like one, but I don't make enough hay to justify the cost. All the dairy farmers around here are switching over to these, they are really nice because they raise up high enough to go over rough ground easily, and of course can be totally controlled from the tractor seat and does a good job at a good clip. I have used these while working for other farmers on rough fields and I have never broke a tine off one. This one I found on Fastline, it's a 2004 Miller Pro 900 and they are asking $4,000.

Here it is

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Tex Aggie

05-22-2006 13:22:13

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Re: Public Opinion in reply to Allan In NE, 05-22-2006 13:11:27

Ya, on our JD rake, we had to take the wheel hub off, then I welded the gears back up to where they were originally, since the price was outrageous for a new one (u know JD, gold flakes in their paint).

Keep pouring that 90W in the gear box and run on. Your cog is just not catching inside the hub. You may need new spring and to rework it.

It is an adventure. But I agree with you. When u gotta run, u gotta do it.

J Klatt

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ChrisLSD

05-22-2006 13:21:23

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Re: Public Opinion in reply to Allan In NE, 05-22-2006 13:11:27

No, something there not just like you think...

OK, u turn the tire and the basket turns - then u turn the tire some more and the basket does nothing - there are several scenarios - u are considering only 2:

scenario 1: the teeth were missing on the tire driver gear - to verify this - stop half way through the basket non turning cycle - lock the tire - now go and move the basket - it should go and go and go - afterall there is no teeth on the driver gear.....

scenario 2: the teeh on basket (driven) gear are gone - to verify this - stop half way through the basket non-turning cycle - lock the basket - now go and keep spinning the tire - it should go and and go and go - afterall there are no teeth on the driven gear

i don't think it is either of these scenarios if it consistently stops and starts stops and starts - ty doing the test with some light resistance to the basket...
then report back

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Allan In NE

05-22-2006 13:58:34

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Re: Public Opinion in reply to ChrisLSD, 05-22-2006 13:21:23

Hi Chris,

Pulled the big cover on the gear box and the gears are okay. 1/2" of oil in the bottom of the thing yet.

The dogs and teeth are okay on both wheels, but the bushing or bearing (whatever) is completely shot on the input shaft of the box.

This lets the input shaft "wobble" up and down and somehow it is jumping in and out of gear. Don't know how that little neutral lever thingy works inside there; can't see past the big gear.

Allan

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Case Lady

05-22-2006 13:15:15

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Re: Public Opinion in reply to Allan In NE, 05-22-2006 13:11:27

Now Shug, where is your sense of adventure??? I think with a little TLC it will be good as new. You have done more with less in the past, should be a piece of cake for an expert such as yourself. Keep us posted on the progress. Have a good'un. CL

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