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My proposition...opinions please (kinda long)...

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JohnDeereGreen

05-21-2006 16:24:51




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Since I started my job last fall working with dairy cattle, I have been seriously considering going to OSU's College of Veternary Medicine. I worked with a vet (my bosses' dad for about 6 months, and really enjoyed the work). I had/have no problem with anything related to animals, ie it dosen't bother me to put to sleep an animal that is suffering, etc. I do realize that it is a major commitment and I'm willing to do the work.

But, lately I've been thinking about getting a bachelors degree in animal sciences, going to my grandparent's farm, and then starting up a dairy and crop operation. Those of you who who saw my pictures from a couple weeks ago know that I've got most of the equipment avalable and covered for the crop production, but the dairy not so much.

I have also thought about combining the two of these ideas, like completing vet school, practicing for a few years and then start into farming, except on a smaller scale, likly not having as many dairy cattle. This is what I'm leaning toward now, but want to get your opinions as well as my parents now so I have plenty of time to think about it. Also so you know, I'm a sophomore in high school, so I've still got a year to decide.

I want to here what you guys have to say, because honestly, there are many people on here that I respect their opinions nearly as much as my parents and other close family.Thanks a bunch, and if anyone has questions, please ask. Again, thanks and sorry about the long post
JohnDeereGreen

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jubilee johnny

05-22-2006 12:37:46




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 Re: My proposition...opinions please (kinda long). in reply to JohnDeereGreen, 05-21-2006 16:24:51  
I started out as a wheat/corn farmer right smack on the Colorado/Nebraska state line in the mid 1970's with a big dream to be like my grandad. Then the hail came in '76 and the blizzard of '77, my wife left, and my world changed. I had to rearrange everything so I went to college. Nine years later I left the University of Tennesse as a dentist. I have what would be considered a "hobby" farm now where I restore antique farm equipment in North Carolina. I enjoy what I do for people in my profession, but there are many times I go back in my mind to combining wheat, working the summer follow, sucking on irrigation tubes, or driving a load of grain to the elevator.
I even tried to buy a quarter section of my grandfather's wheat ground in eastern Colorado last year, but they tell me the wheat is dying due to lack of moisure and I would have been in trouble with the bank due to no crop the first year. It sold for a record price for that county anyway so it would have been difficult to make it cashflow. I would say get an education first. Be sure you keep your gpa up to keep your options open as vet school admission is competitive. But, when I retire, I'm going back to the farm.....

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Steve KS

05-22-2006 11:06:48




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 Re: My proposition...opinions please (kinda long). in reply to JohnDeereGreen, 05-21-2006 16:24:51  
You'll always be able to find a job as a vet. Even more so if you want to specialize in large animals, there has been a shortage in that specialty for quite some time. You mention getting a BS in Animal Science anyway, there's typically a "pre-vet" option in the Animal Science curriculum that combines the intensive natural science course that you'll need w/ the typical ag courses. Be prepared though, A LOT of people apply for Vet School, VERY FEW are accepted. Just get the ASI degree w/ the pre-vet option that way if you get in to Vet School, great, if not, or if you decide that's not what you want to do, you still have the degree you wanted anyway and can start farming after that. Then you'll still have the degree if you ever have or want to get a job off the farm.

You state that you still have some time to decide, that's not necessarily the case. Even in high school you should be taking every biology, chemistry, physics and math (at least through calculus 1) class you can, and the key part, do well in them. In addition, they will tell you whether or not you have the brains for Vet School. Those classes are easier than they will be in college, and you'll need pretty much all A's in those college classes to even be considered for Vet School. I'm certainly not trying to dissuade you, just be aware of what is entailed.

I'm assuming you mean Oklahoma State, so here's a link, there's also some information on the pre vet option on the Dept. of Animal Science Website:

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Case Lady

05-22-2006 08:37:43




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 Re: My proposition...opinions please (kinda long). in reply to JohnDeereGreen, 05-21-2006 16:24:51  
OSU? Would that be OSU as in Oklahoma? If so, they have a fantastic vet program, however, it is difficult to get into from what I have been told. I would suggest maybe a vet tech program, as it isn't as long term on the education side, and you still get to do a lot of the hands-on stuff. You don't have to go to school as long, but the pay isn't as good either. I don't know where you are located, but there is a junior college here in Oklahoma that has a really good vet tech program = Murray State College in Tishomingo is very reputed for their v-t program. Whatever you do decide on, make a list of what you want to do and how you plan on getting it accomplished and what you are going to need to get from here to there and that will help make things a lot clearer when you are making the decisions to put your plan into motion. Good luck in your last couple of years in school and remember, the folks on this board are more than willing to give your advice and they are great for bouncing ideas off of. Take care and have a good'un. CL

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tg in VA

05-22-2006 08:28:32




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 Re: My proposition...opinions please (kinda long). in reply to JohnDeereGreen, 05-21-2006 16:24:51  
Better work on your spelling or get in the habit of proof reading before you publish or your dreams of academic success might not come to fruition.



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Joe-Bob/IN

05-22-2006 04:47:56




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 Re: My proposition...opinions please (kinda long). in reply to JohnDeereGreen, 05-21-2006 16:24:51  
I wouldn't suggest miliking cows. Around here Heifers are close to $2000 and milk is about $10/hwt. Not a profitable combo. Now if you are a Vet makin tons of money and need somewhere to lose it then go ahead and milk all you want. There are hardly any large animal vets around here anymore. They all found out they can charge twice as much to give a cat a shot and don't have to worry about getting covered in manure.

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Vern-MI

05-22-2006 03:26:25




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 Re: My proposition...opinions please (kinda long). in reply to JohnDeereGreen, 05-21-2006 16:24:51  
Hi JDG, if becoming a veterinary is your passion in life then go for it with everything you have. If it is your true passion you will succeed and be very satisfied with your accomplishment. It will take some sacrifice but well worth it in the long run.

My niece started working for a vet when she was starting high school and quickly went from a shy little girl to a very confident student who knew what she wanted to do with her life. She is completing her second year of veterinary school at Michigan State right now and loves every minute of the training. It is great to see a young person identify their passion and get the proper training to make it their life’s occupation.

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jared in wi

05-21-2006 19:29:46




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 Re: My proposition...opinions please (kinda long). in reply to JohnDeereGreen, 05-21-2006 16:24:51  
i would suggest becomming a full time vet, and then having a small hobby farm to keep you out of trouble. i would also suggest getting in to the farming area slowly, because if you find out that you cant handle it or you dont have enough time for it then you can back out of it with a minimal loss. Also, see if you can work with a local farmer, to see what goes on "behind the scenes" of a farming operation. find out what your expenses would be and how much money you would have to invest in order to get a return and of what amount. it may take several years before you would see a return of any kind.

At 22 years old, I have a full time job, and i want to do a little farming on the side in the future.

Just remember to be paitient and eventually you will get to where you want to be.

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Dave Sherburne NY

05-21-2006 19:05:04




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 Re: My proposition...opinions please (kinda long). in reply to JohnDeereGreen, 05-21-2006 16:24:51  
Check out Vet-tech it's a job working with a vet,
but not as many years in school. Good Pay too.



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barnrat

05-21-2006 18:29:47




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 Re: My proposition...opinions please (kinda long). in reply to JohnDeereGreen, 05-21-2006 16:24:51  
My vet is 29, runs her own practice and helps on her dads 50 cow dairy herd, of which 20 cows are hers. What you want can be done one thing to keep in mind is that going to vet school is like buying a house 15-30 years to pay it off.



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Rauville

05-21-2006 17:40:40




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 Re: My proposition...opinions please (kinda long). in reply to JohnDeereGreen, 05-21-2006 16:24:51  
If you go into medicine, and someday find out that you don't like it, you will always have the education to help you in finding employment.
Over the years, I've met a number of vets that work for USDA in the fields of FSIS (Food Safety Inspection Services) or APHIS (Animal, Plant Health Inspection Services). Almost every one of them have had a private practice at one time that they gave up.
They decided that regular work hours, and long term job security outweigh the risk of self-employment. Regardless of your decision, Good Luck!

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rgvtx

05-21-2006 17:31:04




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 Re: My proposition...opinions please (kinda long). in reply to JohnDeereGreen, 05-21-2006 16:24:51  
Wow, what a decision! Back in my younger days I too wanted to be a vet. Didn"t go that way, and have wished I would have for the last 30 years. If you love animals as it"s obvious you do, then I think being a vet is your calling. Vets are in demand just as are LVN"s and doctors for humans. If you became a vet you could probably live anywhere in the country your heart desired, and probably even have that dairy farm you want as a hobby with some hired help to keep up while your at the "office" making the real bucks. Whatever you decide will be the right thing, it always seems to work out that way! Good luck in your pursuit of happiness!won the women"s a

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ben brown

05-21-2006 17:17:50




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 Re: My proposition...opinions please (kinda long). in reply to JohnDeereGreen, 05-21-2006 16:24:51  
all i can say is GO FOR IT YOUR YOUNG HAVE FUN GETTING THERE AND DON"T FORGET THE FUN OF LIFE IS GETTING THERE NOT AFTER YOU GOT THERE



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Mark

05-21-2006 16:51:10




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 Re: My proposition...opinions please (kinda long). in reply to JohnDeereGreen, 05-21-2006 16:24:51  
Well, stop and consider a few things.

When you are young and so full of enthusiasm (a great thing) you rarely stop to consider the down side of anything and perhaps being prepared to take a chance is a valuable asset...but before you decide realize this:

You have got to make a living, regardless of what you 'like' or 'enjoy', the bottom line is making it pay.

How many vets have you seen go broke? How many farmers have you known to go broke? The answers to these questions should help you decide which vocation to pursue full time and the other part time:)!

Start up costs in any venture are extensive, but I'll bet a dollar to a donut, that if you prepare your business plan..... (oh yes, you'll have to have one)....to your banker and it outlines a veternarian practice as opposed to dairy operation.....you'll be much more likely to get your money and well wishes. You see, a banker is there to make money too and he is only willing to finance projects destined to succeed.

You have a while....begin making observations around your community...talk to your local vets and ask them what they think, and talk to all your farmer neighbors....and LISTEN to what they tell you, even if it isn't what you want to hear. Good Luck.

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Short Round

05-21-2006 16:48:04




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 Re: My proposition...opinions please (kinda long). in reply to JohnDeereGreen, 05-21-2006 16:24:51  
John Deere Green, the first thing I would tell you is to make sure you have an excellent grade point average when you finish high school. I know most vet. programs can be hard to get into and your grade point average will be a huge factor in your application. If your grade point is not where it should be right now you still have two years to get it there. I am sure others will have some excellent insite but I cant emphasize that grade point average enough. Good luck.

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Nebraska Cowman

05-21-2006 16:47:08




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 Re: My proposition...opinions please (kinda long). in reply to JohnDeereGreen, 05-21-2006 16:24:51  
The days of the family dairy or grain farm are gone. No use crying over it or debating the whys and hows, They are just over. As a young man starting out with your own business you are going to have to break new ground. Try new ideas, produce items people want and can afford to buy that will give you a return for your investment + a wage for your labor and management. (something traditional ag hasn't done for 50 years) If you like animals why not set up a service oriented farm where people could come play farmer for a day? Or sell "organic" meats, fruits, or veggies? People are always going to eat. Whatever you do, forget cows, corn and beans. Everybody is doing that, and it ain't working too hot for them is it? Oh, and yeah, Learn Spanish.

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barnrat

05-21-2006 18:26:36




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 Re: My proposition...opinions please (kinda long). in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 05-21-2006 16:47:08  
I'm living proof that the small family farm is not dead, and you can be young and start farming from scratch. Commercial dairies and land grant univerties with their big ideas are going to be the dying breed over the next 50 years.



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Matt from CT

05-21-2006 19:03:06




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 Re: My proposition...opinions please (kinda long). in reply to barnrat, 05-21-2006 18:26:36  
Ah, split it.

Either you'll survive being really efficient by being small and up close to what you do...using capital very, very wisely.

Or you'll survive by controlling enough capital to make investments in equipment and systems that make up for not using it the most wisely.

The mid-level guys who try to compete capital intensive without the deep pockets of the corporations are the ones in trouble.

Back to the original question, I'd aim to be a vet; and if I could make a living as a vet in that area, see if I could have the farm run by hired help...maybe doing organic beef instead of the more labor intensive dairy.

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