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Preserving wood on a flatbed trailer

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Markiee

05-17-2006 09:46:55




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I bought a flatbed trailer with a wood deck. The wood looks like it is 10 years old...for the most part it is still in very good shape. It will sit outside and I was wondering what I can do to protect the wood to make it last longer.

Should I pressure washe and use Thompson water seal or is there something better?

Thanks in advance.




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Marty Johns

05-23-2006 20:15:03




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 Re: Preserving wood on a flatbed trailer in reply to Markiee, 05-17-2006 09:46:55  
Try APITONG LUMBER!!!!! ! it'll be your solution, but will be adding alot of weight! This is what is used on the TT flatbeds you see going down the road Daily!!!!!



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JDB

05-18-2006 10:30:35




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 Re: Preserving wood on a flatbed trailer in reply to Markiee, 05-17-2006 09:46:55  
Been thinking about a composite like Rumber



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sammy the RED

05-17-2006 22:23:33




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 Re: Preserving wood on a flatbed trailer in reply to Markiee, 05-17-2006 09:46:55  
We always used old motor oil on the manure spreader to help make the bottom and sides last.

Thompsons ??? ... There are better brands out there rather than Thgompsons.



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KEB

05-17-2006 19:33:04




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 Re: Preserving wood on a flatbed trailer in reply to Markiee, 05-17-2006 09:46:55  
Couple of comments. First, as was alluded to below, I'd be really, really concerned about an oil treated deck being slippery when its wet. Plus, seems like it would act like the old creosote treated poles & get black stuff all over everything that touched it.

Pressure treated lumber is probably the best. Painted would OK if you could make sure it had a non-slip finish. Personally, I prefer Thompson's water seal for outdoor wood.

As far as the EPA and other government agencies, I agree that sometimes it seems they're a bunch of desk jockeys that go totally overboard. However, in the case of used oil, I would tend to agree with the regs. Yes, a gallon here or there isn't likely to hurt anything, but you never know for sure. Plus, if you dump a few gallons a year, and your neighbors all dump a few gallons a year, pretty soon you've got the makings of a problem. Like smog from autos, each one makes only a trivial impact, but with a bunch together there's a significant impact.

Most places that sell oil will take used oil for free. I've got a couple of old metal jerry cans I collect it in, & when they get full I just take them the next time I need to go to the auto parts store. I'd prefer to burn it & recover some of the initial cost as heat for my shop, but so far I don't think its financially justified.

Keith

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MikeinKy

05-17-2006 19:14:05




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 Re: Preserving wood on a flatbed trailer in reply to Markiee, 05-17-2006 09:46:55  
Allen's got the right idea. I have a wagon that my Dad built the flat in 1961. We have "slopped" used oil on it every 2 or 3 yrs and I'm still using it.



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ih-fan

05-17-2006 18:53:29




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 Re: Preserving wood on a flatbed trailer in reply to Markiee, 05-17-2006 09:46:55  
Our FFA shop built four oak wagon flats in 1962.one with used oil,one with nothing,one with oil based paint,the last one was latex or water based. The used oil wagon 5-6 years,the non treated&the oil paint was replaced in 8 years, the latex wagon is still here. Just one mans opinion!



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I Bleed Green

05-17-2006 14:41:58




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 Re: Preserving wood on a flatbed trailer in reply to Markiee, 05-17-2006 09:46:55  

Boiled Linseed oil. My grandpa, dad and myself used it for years on hay wagons. Spray it on with a paint sprayer.



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Hal/WA

05-17-2006 20:14:09




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 Re: Preserving wood on a flatbed trailer in reply to I Bleed Green, 05-17-2006 14:41:58  
That's what I use, but I pour it on and spread it a little with an old paintbrush. After it has soaked in for about a week, I give it another coat.

Boiled linseed oil isn't as cheap as it used to be, but it works well. If I was really concerned about it getting slick, I would toss some fine sand onto the wet oil before it dries.

I also park my trailer with the front end up in the air so rain runs off the deck. Wish it was a tilt deck, but maybe my next trailer will be.

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souNdguy

05-17-2006 13:14:28




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 Re: Preserving wood on a flatbed trailer in reply to Markiee, 05-17-2006 09:46:55  
I hate to sound like a tree hugger.. but all those ecology and environmental science classes I had to take while in CE school have sunk in. Those of you treating open surfaces with used motor oil ( classified as a hazardous substance by the way.. ) might as well be pouring it right out in your yard, or down your well.

Used oil contains heavy metals and other toxic compounds.. these compounds, as wella s the oil leach out of the wood and onto the ground.. and eventually into the water you drink. 2 tablespoons of oil can contaminate 2000 gallons of potable water.

besides.. there are better ways to preserve that have -MUCH- less impact on the environment. You can use fence coatings.. like copper napthenate, and black asphalt fence paint.. or even the new latex fence paint.

The first deck on my 16' trailer rotted after 2 years. The next deck I put on, i painted the wood with asphalt fence paint. Has been fine for over 4 years now... and the solvated bituminous portion o fthe paint is more or less environmentally inert once the volatiles leave.

So for all of you 'point source' poluters.. do us a favor.. quit poisoning everybody...

By the way.. if you want to find out the amount of fine, or the amount of jail time you can get for pouring that stuff on the ground.. hit the EPA website.. there are case studies and other tidbits of data. Free meals , room and board, and all the soap on a rope you can handle in prison.. so go for it!.. at least the environmnet will be safe(er) for a while..

( tree-hugging mode off )

Soundguy

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JIM87

05-17-2006 18:50:52




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 Re: Preserving wood on a flatbed trailer in reply to souNdguy, 05-17-2006 13:14:28  
If i remember correctly i was taught in my enviromental science course, that used oil poured directly on the ground is filtered so much within the first 8 feet its almost harmless and rarely even hits groundwater. And no threat is imposed unless it is dumped directly into the water source, 2 tablespoons can contiminate 2000 gallons of water when it is poured directly into the water source. Besides in several counties throughout the country, crude oil is sprayed directly onto gravel and dirt roads as a dust deterrent.

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souNdguy

05-17-2006 19:21:28




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 Re: Preserving wood on a flatbed trailer in reply to JIM87, 05-17-2006 18:50:52  
Runnoff becomes an issue. That puddle of oil.. while setting on the ground, while waiting to drain into the ground can be picke dup by runnoff water due to precipitation.. also.. and water in contact with it will pick up acidic compound thru leaching, and then can be carried 'right into the water'.. wherever the runoff goes... etc. "rarely hits ground water'.. well.. that's a subjective phrase. I live near 'lake county' You can dig a shallow well with a shovel... some places have standing water ALL year. Another county, 'putnam county' has water in many of it's drainige ditches year round. Last year we did hurricane cleanup and paved a road across an old cattle farm for the city, (near old hwy 17 if you are familiar with the area ). The pasture had standing water in many areas.. driving a piece of heavy equipment across the pasture would make water 30-40' away ripple.. We had to use soil cement for stabilization, and in some cases black base for road support. It was literally like paving a road downt he beach or across a lake.... So.. 'ground water' is different everywhere.. especially when you are talking about florida.

Also.. refering to another comment... crude oil deposits naturally occouring underground is not an 'apples to apples' comparison to the refined product we see as motor oil.. and even farther away from used motor oil.

As for your reference to municipalities 'spraying crude oil' on streets and roads.. I believe you are mistaken. While I have hear of 'ancient history'.. I E stuff from the 50's.. etc, spraying motor oil down.. in recent history, 2 different products are used. One is calle dprime or tack coat.. it is a special asphalt emulsion.. a bituminous material mixed and heated with water... it is environmentally inert / stable once cooled and dehydrated. There is also a special 'dust control' oil that many road depts use, especially rural runways. The GC I work for have handled bids for dust controll oils.. and I can assure yuo DOT spec book does not call for used motor oil.. nor is it 'crude' oil.. which is the unrefined base stock.. etc. We are handling dust control for a large housing project in citrus county florida right now.. again.. no crude oil or motor oil. If you want an MSDS on the dust control oil, look up EA Marianie Asphalt company in florida, and request a MSDS on 'Special MS" and also one of their dust control products... ( no crude oil.. or used motor oil.. etc.. )

Every time we do a big road job, we get dozens of 'uninformed' residents calling and 'reporting' us to DEP for 'oiling' the streets with what they think is 'tar' or used motor oil.. only to be told that it is a different product entirely... etc.

Soundguy

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Joe-Bob/IN

05-18-2006 14:35:54




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 Re: Preserving wood on a flatbed trailer in reply to souNdguy, 05-17-2006 19:21:28  
Ya'll put in a road where water stands most of the time? Do that in St. Joe county, IN and you won't be getting any gov't payments! Something about destroying wetlands.



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souNdguy

05-18-2006 20:17:30




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 Re: Preserving wood on a flatbed trailer in reply to Joe-Bob/IN, 05-18-2006 14:35:54  
This was not a federal or state designated wetland, and in fact was a federal contract.. they say where to build it.. we build it.. it's not up to us. Not sure how it works where you live, but where I live, we get the contract from the government agency, and they tell us what to do.. not the other way around.

( Not that it is relevant.. but this was a fema contract... I think you will find that 'many' laws are suspended during a declared emergency... again.. this was not 'protected' wetlands.. just a cow pasture in a wet part of the county...

I can't help but say that your comment sounds like it was intended to stir the pot.. while ignoring the facts...or at least not asking for clarifications before you jumped to the worst possible conclusion...

Soundguy

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Allan In NE

05-17-2006 17:57:40




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 Re: Preserving wood on a flatbed trailer in reply to souNdguy, 05-17-2006 13:14:28  
Did I mention that the best way to treat a wooden floor is used engine oil slopped on heavy with an old broom?

Allan



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KRUSS

05-17-2006 17:50:32




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 Re: Preserving wood on a flatbed trailer in reply to souNdguy, 05-17-2006 13:14:28  
Do you really believe all that BS ??



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souNdguy

05-17-2006 18:29:40




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 Re: Preserving wood on a flatbed trailer in reply to KRUSS, 05-17-2006 17:50:32  
Uh.. yes.. as a civil engineer, I'm quite aware of the effects of manmade products on the environment. I work with DEP on a daily basis. On a bad day, a broken oil line on a truck can shut down a 3 million$ project.. ask me how I know.
A vehicle accident involving spilt diesel on a dirt surface requires mitigation from the state or federal government in control of that area, including but not limited to, a hazmat team to come in and remove the contaminated dirt and sourounding soil, replacement, and then the soiled dirt has to be sent away to be 'cleaned'. Our insurance carrier paid in the mid 5 digits for a truck accident one of our drivers had 10 years ago in which a 50g diesel tank ruptured on the side of the road during a crash.

The GC I work for was involved in some of those superfund cleanup contracts. Wonderfull stuff can get into the soil from leakinf gas and diesel tanks. Burried paint products are the best... you would love to see what benzene does to human tissue...

DOT classifies used motor oil as hazardous waste.. Every polutant that comes out of a tail pipe can be found in that oil... hydrogen sulfide.. other acidic compounds.. heavy metals.. you name it.. so yes.. that 'BS' as you casually put it.. is true.

Soundguy

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Mark

05-17-2006 17:28:51




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 Re: Preserving wood on a flatbed trailer in reply to souNdguy, 05-17-2006 13:14:28  
The EPA and all the other alphabet agencies headquartered in Washington, DC is a great deal of what is wrong with this country. Then paranoid folks who sit and swallow this tripe hook, line, and sinker go around espousing this human made manure as gospel. "We're all gonna die because a gallon of oil fell on the ground.....from which it originated in the first place." I am amazed how there are any Arabs left alive....no damned EPA and what amounts to thousands of gallons of oil hitting the ground every day across that region. Another strange thing...we import fruits and vegetables from other countries where DDT is still used and yet I fail to read where all their fauna and fish are toes up en masse...people either. Thousands of GI's were dusted with DDT on a regular basis for cooties and I have never read where they fell over dead from DDT poisoning. No need in worrying about all these terrible poisons getting us..... global warming is going to destroy the world in short order...more junk science. Had fossil fuels such as coal been responsible, world catastrophe would have happened a century ago when the entire nation was either coal or wood heated. It has gotten to the point where a man can't pee-pee (sanitized word version) against the barn wall without some EPA agent jumping out of the weeds to prosecute him....or his nosey do-gooder neighbors turning him in. This crap went on in the Soviet Union...crimes against the State.

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souNdguy

05-17-2006 18:52:06




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 Re: Preserving wood on a flatbed trailer in reply to Mark , 05-17-2006 17:28:51  
You are entitled to your own opinion.. however.. when it comes to resource management.. it is a global stewardship issue. I would think every human being would see it as a moral obligation to try to do as little harm as possible while we stay here... Incedental polloution 'happens' it's hard to control.. this is called a non-point source.... When it comes to pollution sources that we can control ( point sources ).. we should try to be carefull when possible. In situation where there are cheap and easy alternatives to situations that would otherwise pollute.. we should try them. 5 gallons of cgeapy asphalt paint is 15-19$ That's enough paint to paint quite a few trailer decks..

That's all I'm going to say on this subject... It's just human nature for a certain percentage of the population to ruthlessly exploit the environment and then throw up their hands and claim that it isn't doing anything. ( the world used to be flat too! )

Soundguy

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souNdguy

05-17-2006 18:50:49




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 Re: Preserving wood on a flatbed trailer in reply to Mark , 05-17-2006 17:28:51  
You are entitled to your own opinion.. however.. when it comes to resource management.. it is a global stewardship issue. I would think every human being would see it as a moral obligation to try to do as little harm as possible while we stay here... Incedental polloution 'happens' it's hard to control.. this is called a non-point source.... When it comes to pollution sources that we can control ( point sources ).. we should try to be carefull when possible. In situation where there are cheap and easy alternatives to situations that would otherwise pollute.. we should try them. 5 gallons of cgeapy asphalt paint is 15-19$ That's enough paint to paint quite a few trailer decks..

That's all I'm going to say on this subject... It's just human nature for a certain percentage of the population to ruthlessly exploit the environment and then throw up their hands and claim that it isn't doing anything. ( the world used to be flat too! )

Soundguy

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Bob M

05-17-2006 13:00:29




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 Re: Preserving wood on a flatbed trailer in reply to Markiee, 05-17-2006 09:46:55  
I pressure wash then treat both my trailers with Thompson's every couple years.

The Thompson's seems to be protecting the wood, and when the decks are wet they're no more slippery than untreated wood.



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Glen in TX

05-17-2006 12:19:12




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 Re: Preserving wood on a flatbed trailer in reply to Markiee, 05-17-2006 09:46:55  
As old as yours is used motor oil will work but remember if you plan to haul anything you don't want getting black or greasy marks on it use something else. Linseed oil works good on new wood.



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thejdman01

05-17-2006 11:41:01




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 Re: Preserving wood on a flatbed trailer in reply to Markiee, 05-17-2006 09:46:55  
I know I will be shunned for going against the flow of what everyone else says but after running a roll back wrecker with wood floors and trying used engine oil on my own trailer, I would not under any circumstances put used oil on the dovetail part of the trailer and be careful about the flat part of your trailer. We all know oil floats on water. When the boards get wet from rain, the oil gets pushed to the top and it can get very slick very quick. Nice when trying to recover and winch dead tractors in the rain not too nice when trying to get up enough momentum to get up the trailer and you go over the edge.

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ChrisLSD

05-17-2006 11:39:24




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 Re: Preserving wood on a flatbed trailer in reply to Markiee, 05-17-2006 09:46:55  
An expensive cure is a penetrating epoxy - that is what they used on like docks and boats -

i have a 40 year cattle bunk that I have taken apart and made into a small flatbed - put some oil on it now - but those boards look as good as new -

for my future wood projects i am considering buying the eposy and trying that -



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Wild Bill

05-17-2006 10:55:09




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 Re: Preserving wood on a flatbed trailer in reply to Markiee, 05-17-2006 09:46:55  
We used the used motor oil method on an untreated floor and it lasted about 10 years, the wood rotted from the bottom up, I agree it does work, but it is not a long term solution.

We replaced the untreated with treated, the floor is 6 years old now and it is still solid as a rock and looks great.



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tim Shultz

05-17-2006 10:48:09




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 Re: Preserving wood on a flatbed trailer in reply to Markiee, 05-17-2006 09:46:55  
used oil works rather good and is REAL cheap to use.. and don't got to pay to have it hualed away..
Tim Shultz



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Rob NC

05-17-2006 10:07:39




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 Re: Preserving wood on a flatbed trailer in reply to Markiee, 05-17-2006 09:46:55  
i painted mine a couple months ago and used oil base porch paint from lowes. one gallon covered the 7x16 trailer twice with a little left over. cost, about $20.



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Allan In NE

05-17-2006 10:01:31




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 Re: Preserving wood on a flatbed trailer in reply to Markiee, 05-17-2006 09:46:55  
Markiee,

Use used engine oil and an old broom. Slop 'er on there good and it will keep the wood from goin' south on ya.

Allan



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KRUSS

05-17-2006 10:07:38




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 Re: Preserving wood on a flatbed trailer in reply to Allan In NE, 05-17-2006 10:01:31  
Glad to hear someone else recommend used oil. One of my favorite ways to recycle/reuse, and it doesn't matter a whole lot what else found it's way into that oil.



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RustyFarmall

05-17-2006 10:28:35




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 Re: Preserving wood on a flatbed trailer in reply to KRUSS, 05-17-2006 10:07:38  
Yep, used motor oil, just slop it on and let it soak in. That reminds me, time to do my trailer again.



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