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OT: Another 3.8 GM engine question

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Markuss

04-25-2006 09:05:12




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I have had three (3) GM 3.8 liter engines and they all vary in gas mileage, why?

First off, I drive 120 miles/day - same stretch of road AND I know how to check mileage - over thousands of miles driven.

FIrst car was a 1992 Pontiac Bonneville with with 3.8 engine at 190,000 miles - got 27-28 mpg on highway at 70 mph. (car totalled in accident)

2nd car was a 1999 Pontiac Bonneville with 3.8 engine at 110,000 miles, got 27-29 mpg on highway at 70 mph. (engine and transmission went out, sold car)

3rd car IS a 1992 Buick Lesabre with 3.8 liter engine at 110,000 miles, I am currently getting 23 - 24 mpg on the highway at 70 mph. I have tested this over 6,000 miles and I can only get 23 - 24 mpg????

Why dones the 3rd car get the same mile per gallon? Well maintained, using the same engine oil and driving on the same road?

Thanks!

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Jim.UT

04-26-2006 12:42:47




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 Re: OT: Another 3.8 GM engine question in reply to Markuss, 04-25-2006 09:05:12  
I used to get 27 mpg in my '93 Olds Eighty-Eight. Now it's down to 19-21. I've had it "tuned up" etc by professional mechanics that have never let me down in the past and I still get in the lower 20's.

I think I'll talk to my mechanic friends about the MAF, O2, and TPS as John_Bud suggests.

I also have a '92 Buick Regal with the same engine (smaller car) but I don't really know what mileage I'm getting because the odo is inop. Based on my daily commute and the fact I need to refuel about every 10 days, I figure I'm getting in the mid to high 20's.

One thing I notice about the larger GM cars with 3.8 (Bonneville, Eighty-Eight, LeSabre) is that on any kind of downward slope the vehicle will pick up speed. On a level flat area you can take your foot off the gas and the deceleration rate is much slower than other vehicles. That's not the case with the Regal. I assume it's due to transmission and final drive ratios.

I also had a '94 Bonneville SSEi (supercharged) that did not "coast" as well as the Olds and it only got about 24 mpg, but that was because it was so much fun to hit the go pedal!

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john_bud

04-26-2006 06:01:46




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 Re: OT: Another 3.8 GM engine question in reply to Markuss, 04-25-2006 09:05:12  
Markuss,

At 100,000 miles you should check the O2 sensors (actually you should probably just change them out). The TPS or throttle position sensor may also be off a bit and the computor will richen the fuel across the board. Also the Mass air sensor (if it has one) may be dirty and getting a false reading.

Did you check the odometer for accuracy? Some are off.

Best of luck getting the most mpg -

jb

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RayP(MI)

04-25-2006 18:53:43




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 Re: OT: Another 3.8 GM engine question in reply to Markuss, 04-25-2006 09:05:12  
Heck, I've got two Chevy Blazers - almost identical packages, engine/transmission/etc. one a 2000, other a 2001. Older one gets about 1 1/2mpg better than the other. Am told that's the nature of the beast. I am constantly checking mileage, because both gas guages are flaky, and we refuel at about 300 miles.



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jc

04-26-2006 09:10:53




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 Re: OT: Another 3.8 GM engine question in reply to RayP(MI), 04-25-2006 18:53:43  
Have a 2000 Chevy 2500 pick up with the same type of fuel guage. Drives everyone but me crazy. Just the price of owning a Chevy.



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Jon Holt

04-25-2006 18:11:40




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 Re: OT: Another 3.8 GM engine question in reply to Markuss, 04-25-2006 09:05:12  
Check all of the obvious things first, tires, tire inflation, base engine, engine management (computer controls), then check other things like the thermostat. It could also be things like trans/driveline slippage.



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noncompos

04-25-2006 12:02:36




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 Re: OT: Another 3.8 GM engine question in reply to Markuss, 04-25-2006 09:05:12  
You may have hit part of it with the tires; just a little smaller equals a lot less distance on a tank of gas, like Mickey Mouses" fingers (Walt once said he saved millions by only having Mickey etc drawn with four fingers):little things add up.



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Markuss

04-25-2006 11:48:55




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 new plugs, wires and same weight of car in reply to Markuss, 04-25-2006 09:05:12  
Tires are a bit smaller now on the lesabre than on the bonnevilles, but the engine RPM's seem to be the same at 70 mph on the highway - approx 2100 rpms...I wonder how I could check the gearing? Or would it be the same?

The spark plugs I took out were the original GM plugs with 100,000 on them, the gap was very large - like 75-80 thousands...could that cause the coil to work harder and burn out? New plugs and wires are in it now.

IF you have ever seen a bonneville and the lesabere, they have the same basic shape and size, so I didnt think that was a variable.

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dhermesc

04-25-2006 14:48:04




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 Re: new plugs, wires and same weight of car in reply to Markuss, 04-25-2006 11:48:55  
They are not the "exact" same bodies (close though). The Buick is an inch wider and weighs about 80 pounds more. I'm sure they also have their own electronic shift points and one could have a computer "flash" that the other has never gotten. The axle ratios could be 2.84 or 3.06 depending upon the option. The Buick has "Sequential Fuel Injection" and the Pontiac has "Tuned Port Injection".

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dhermesc

04-25-2006 11:23:07




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 Re: OT: Another 3.8 GM engine question in reply to Markuss, 04-25-2006 09:05:12  
Weight, tires, gearing, shape of car can all effect mileage, then you throw in an aging electronics system, 14 years of other people driving it and the variable factor gets even wider. 23-24 miles per gallon out of a 14 year old car with over a 100K still isn't bad by any streatch.



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Jimmy King

04-25-2006 10:56:50




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 Re: OT: Another 3.8 GM engine question in reply to Markuss, 04-25-2006 09:05:12  
Have you tried new plugs and wires.



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Vern-MI

04-25-2006 10:11:01




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 Re: OT: Another 3.8 GM engine question in reply to Markuss, 04-25-2006 09:05:12  
The first thing to do would be to see if there are any codes being thrown. Poor mileage can be traced to bad thermostats, engine temperature sensors, coolant temperature sensors, and dirty injectors. Sensors have to out of their normal operating voltage range in order to show up as bad. So if the range is 1 to 3 volts and the sensor is stuck on 1.5 volts it won't show up as bad.

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lgc

04-25-2006 09:47:07




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 Re: OT: Another 3.8 GM engine question in reply to Markuss, 04-25-2006 09:05:12  
I have 04 lasabre 3.8 that would easily get 27-29 mpg in hwy driving. Actually best hwy millage car i have owned. Before had olds intrigue 3.8 that might not get quite as good. It did seem to be geared a little more for performance. I think yours should do better.



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Wild Bill

04-25-2006 09:23:22




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 Re: OT: Another 3.8 GM engine question in reply to Markuss, 04-25-2006 09:05:12  
The buick is probably a heavier car, probably has more options (adds to weight) and is physicaly bigger (more wind resistence.) Weight and wind resistance can kill fuel mileage.



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ntmcj

04-25-2006 09:11:08




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 Re: OT: Another 3.8 GM engine question in reply to Markuss, 04-25-2006 09:05:12  
I have an old 88 LeSabre that gets 29 on the hwy. The only time I ever got bad mileage on the hwy was when I once accidently put it in 3rd instead of overdrive and it cut my mileage almost in half. Other than that, I don't see any reason why you shouldn't get the same. It is a great engine as far as I am concerned.



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