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Brazil energy independence???

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Mike (WA)

04-22-2006 08:35:00




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So whats the deal with Brazil? I keep hearing that they are 100% energy independent, running everything on alky, etc. I don't think they're so awfully much brighter than us, on the whole, and they have the additional burden of having to speak Portugese. Many on this board bemoaning the poor economy of alcohol fuel, gooping up the neoprene, onboard computers hopelessly intoxicated, etc., etc., so my question is, how is Brazil making it work? Anyone actually know? What does their fuel cost? (no fair just making up stuff and then subjecting us to interminably long posts about your speculations)!

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noncompos

04-22-2006 19:36:18




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 Re: Brazil energy independence??? in reply to Mike (WA), 04-22-2006 08:35:00  
Just posting gas prices of various countries isn"t the whole story. European countries have long kept gas high via heavy taxes to (1) pay for social programs, and (2) keep the commoners out of cars (can you imagine those European cities" narrow streets with LA-type traffic?? (!!)...and other countries subsidise gas for various reasons to keep the price artificially low. Personally, I"m oiling up the bicycle and thinking about resurrecting a Honda scooter out in the shed...

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Midwest redneck

04-22-2006 15:39:45




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 Re: Brazil energy independence??? in reply to Mike (WA), 04-22-2006 08:35:00  
Brazil could be a super power if it wanted to be I was reading a while back that Brazil is the size of the US, 178 million people, lots of rain forest, lots of farms, lots of sugar cane grown and they use the by product for fuel, they have a good industrial base. Its too bad that the US government is too stupid to realize the power of ethanol.



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BobMo

04-22-2006 16:09:39




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 Re: Brazil energy independence??? in reply to Midwest redneck, 04-22-2006 15:39:45  
Redneck, do you realize the reason there is a fuel shortage on the east coast is because of a shortage of ethanol.
I'm sorry but if we were all burning E85 corn would be 50 bucks a bushel and fuel would be 15 dollars a gallon if you could get it. Ethanol helps as long as the government subsidies are in place but its not the answer..... Good luck...



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BobMo

04-22-2006 10:41:59




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 Re: Brazil energy independence??? in reply to Mike (WA), 04-22-2006 08:35:00  
Mike, your way off base. Your not completely wrong just off base. Read ErnieDD's post....



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Mike (WA)

04-23-2006 07:10:18




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 Re: Brazil energy independence??? in reply to BobMo, 04-22-2006 10:41:59  
Don't know quite what you mean, I guess- Most of my post was a question, and Ernie's post could merely mean that they're exporting oil because they use so little of it themselves, which would be a situation that we could all be happy with. No one answered my main query- Does anyone have any real info about the cost of their ethanol fuel? If its sugar cane that's needed, we could grow a lot in the deep south as well. Corn price wouldn't have to come up very much before subsidies were a non-issue, and most farmers would be happy with that situation as well.

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Pooh Bear

04-22-2006 10:20:55




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 Re: Brazil energy independence??? in reply to Mike (WA), 04-22-2006 08:35:00  
I saw this on the History Channel.
Their climate is perfect for growing sugar cane.
They make fuel from the sugar cane, then burn whats left
(the pulp) in electrical generation facilities.
The E100 fuel is cheaper than gasoline.
They still have gas available at the pumps.
But who is gonna buy it when it cost more.
Flex Fuel vehicles were mandated by their government.
So their cars can use gas or E100 or any combination.

The E fuel is subsidized to keep its price low.
The American goverment would never do that.
They will subsidize farmers not to grow crops.
They will subsidize bankrupt auto makers to keep jobs.
They will subsidize wars in foriegn countries.
But they won"t subsidize E fuels to help American farmers.
All our oil is in Texas and Alaska, and the dipsticks are in Washington.

Work hard, millions on welfare are depending on you.

Sorry if this is too political.

Pooh Bear

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Nebraska Cowman

04-22-2006 09:20:42




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 Re: Brazil energy independence??? in reply to Mike (WA), 04-22-2006 08:35:00  
this is copied from a cnn site and may be outdated but gives a comparison. I was in Fortalesa in 1994 and the average working man walks. Nation City Price in USD Regular/Gallon Netherlands Amsterdam $6.48 Norway Oslo $6.27 Italy Milan $5.96 Denmark Copenhagen $5.93 Belgium Brussels $5.91 Sweden Stockholm $5.80 United Kingdom London $5.79 Germany Frankfurt $5.57 France Paris $5.54 Portugal Lisbon $5.35 Hungary Budapest $4.94 Luxembourg $4.82 Croatia Zagreb $4.81 Ireland Dublin $4.78 Switzerland Geneva $4.74 Spain Madrid $4.55 Japan Tokyo $4.24 Czech Republic Prague $4.19 Romania Bucharest $4.09 Andorra $4.08 Estonia Tallinn $3.62 Bulgaria Sofia $3.52 Brazil Brasilia $3.12 Cuba Havana $3.03 Taiwan Taipei $2.84 Lebanon Beirut $2.63 South Africa Johannesburg $2.62 Nicaragua Managua $2.61 Panama Panama City $2.19 Russia Moscow $2.10 Puerto Rico San Juan $1.74 Saudi Arabia Riyadh $0.91 Kuwait Kuwait City $0.78 Egypt Cairo $0.65 Nigeria Lagos $0.38 Venezuela Caracas $0.12

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buickanddeere

04-22-2006 19:15:53




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 Re: Brazil energy independence??? in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 04-22-2006 09:20:42  
A couple of points here. #1 You missed listing Canada’s prices. #2 In Brazil their women wear little itty bitty bathing suits that American women won’t even consider. If they wanted to, Brazil could rule the world but t they choose to admire good looking women instead.



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Admirer

04-22-2006 19:37:35




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 Re: Brazil energy independence??? in reply to buickanddeere, 04-22-2006 19:15:53  
Brazilian, or for that matter, most (all) Latino women are very friendly, and DO know how to please a man. Don't ask. The typical NA female is more concerned with the quantity of her wardrobe and her nails..... , none of which matter when pleasing a man is concerned. A tease, yes, but they are definitely a w-ore of a lot better in bed, and they do not mind


competing in the same bed at the same time for a man!

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ErnieDD

04-22-2006 08:40:59




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 Re: Brazil energy independence??? in reply to Mike (WA), 04-22-2006 08:35:00  
Big article in this AM's paper, Brazil just brought a 1.2 MM Bd day platform online, they will be exporting crude! Their president was pictured with crude oil on his hands as he started the pumps.



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