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37 chief

04-07-2006 20:14:01

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A couple days ago I was doing some repairs on my trailer. While using my grinder I thought I may have gotten something in my eye, that night my eye was sore. After about three days the scratching feeling was still there, so I determined it wasen,t from welding flash. I went to the nearest eye doctor, he said yes you got something in your eye. He removed it, and I said thank you, and he said $180.00 please. The sad part is I have insurance, and didn't want to drive 50 miles to my eye doctor.Stan

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NEsota

04-08-2006 17:54:55

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Re: Im in the wrong profession in reply to 37 chief, 04-07-2006 20:14:01

Jonfarmer, Send me an email and tell me more about yourself. No, I am not hiring but there is an idea that I would like to run by you. johnduder@hotmail.com Please use your handle as the subject.

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old art

04-08-2006 17:35:58

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Re: Im in the wrong profession in reply to 37 chief, 04-07-2006 20:14:01

take what is left of your money and get a face schield and save the to the eye doctor again it is cheaper try it you will like it
the only 2 you get save em.

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chuck t

04-08-2006 17:24:16

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Re: Im in the wrong profession in reply to 37 chief, 04-07-2006 20:14:01

If something is not working for you, change it. Move to a growing area, get an education, most of all, hustle, hustle, hustle. Hanging on to a past that is not getting you anywhere will not get you anywhere. Look for oppurtunity, but be smart. These colleges are businesses and students are their customers. Students pay for useless degrees because they are easy to get, it's harder to develop real marketable skills. A lot of the bartenders have degrees from Party Town U. in communications or sports marketing, easy stuff they took so they didn't have to struggle with math or science. They went to college but got no skills to set themselves apart from the minimum wage crowd.

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KEB

04-08-2006 16:56:57

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Re: Im in the wrong profession in reply to 37 chief, 04-07-2006 20:14:01

Well, let's see here....

4 years in college taking difficult courses, 4 years in medical school taking even more difficult courses, 2 - 4 years as a resident working 60 hrs a week, now I'm 30 years old & have hundreds of thousands of $$ in student loans to pay off, and just maybe now I can start earning a living. You think I'm gonna do that if I can't look forward to a reward at the end. Yeh, Dr's really have it easy.

Add onto that the cost of maintaing an office, with staff, malpractice insurance, all the latest gadgets & gizmos so I don't get sued for not using the absolutely latest techniques, etc., etc., plus payments from mecicare that barely cover the overhead, let alone allow me to keep anything for myself.

Finally, consider this - when you see the Dr., you don't pay for the Dr's time on an hourly basis like you do for a tradesman. You pay for the Dr's skill and knowledge that he spent a minimum of 10 years acquiring, plus all the time he has to spend doing paperwork associated with your visit.

I'm not a Dr, I'm an Engineer, but I get tired of listening to people whine about professional people making good money. Believe it or not, we all put in our time & paid our dues to get where we are. Instead of going to work right out of high school, and being able to do a lot of fun things while I was young, I struggled to support myself through college so that I could someday have a better life. Admittedly, there are some college degrees that don't mean a whole lot, because there isn't a lot of demand for those skills, but you need to consider that when selecting a major.

I agree that health care in this country is a real problem, and I don't know quite how to fix it. Bashing Dr's isn't the solution. One place to start would be to reign in the lawyers, so that the medial profession isn't spending a fortune on malpractice insurance & settlements for frivilous lawsuits.

Sorry for the rant, its just that people are dumping their frustration on the wrong people.

Keith

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jlmtractor

04-08-2006 18:11:31

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Re: Im in the wrong profession in reply to KEB, 04-08-2006 16:56:57

my familys farm went bankrupt some years back and i discovered god thru that. and i have learned that money and work isnt everything. dont spend your whole life working. spend as little time working as possible and enjoy the life the lord has given you. jlmtractor

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buickanddeere

04-08-2006 17:05:31

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Re: Im in the wrong profession in reply to KEB, 04-08-2006 16:56:57

Keith

You beat me to that sermon by a couple of minites. Just type dout something similar myself a few lines down.

b&d

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Ohio Mike

04-08-2006 15:08:14

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Re: Im in the wrong profession in reply to 37 chief, 04-07-2006 20:14:01

My health care cost has gone up each year for the past three or four years and my coverage has gone down. I go to the doctor about once a year on average and what the health care providers charge is just like the oil companies. My mother worked all her life, DIDN'T HAVE CABLE TV, WAS VERY WATCHFUL WITH HER MONEY ECT, DIDN'T DRIVE HIGH DOLLAR CARS, AND NO CELL PHONE ! NO GOVERNMENT HAND OUTS AND SHE NOT ONLY COULDN'T AFFORD HEALTH CARE, SHE COULDN'T AFFORD TO GET SICK ! There are a lot of people who just can't afford health care and that's not right ! NEVER SEE A POOR DOCTOR.

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chuck t

04-08-2006 13:00:13

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Re: Im in the wrong profession in reply to 37 chief, 04-07-2006 20:14:01

everyone expects the absolute best health care, for free. A lot who say they can't afford insurance have all the other necessities, like cell phone, cable TV, dinner out, etc. It's a choice, like everything else. Best way to do insurance is to charge like auto ins.; 16 year old kid pays more becasue they use more. Same as the fat smoker, make him pay a lot higher rates or live better. Choices. Personal responsibility. In US, when grandma is terminal the family is willing to spend as much government money as they can to take care of her. I wonder what they would do if the gov't made them drain the estate before the gov't paid anything...

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Jonfarmer

04-08-2006 14:46:33

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Re: Im in the wrong profession in reply to chuck t, 04-08-2006 13:00:13

Lets see, I got no cell phone, maybe 5-6 cd's, not married, no kids, no girlfriend, still live to home with my parents, my playstation broke a long time ago, and I didn't get another one. My clothes are bargain basement stuff, except for about 3 pairs of Carhartt pants that my mom got me for christmas, my t-shirts are mostly plain ones with no design no them and cost about $3.00 each on sale, my socks are mostly stained and have holes in them. I graduated high school in 2002, after I got out I worked part time for a farmer prepairing new freshly bulldozed land for meadows, then I got a job working at a gun factory that fall fitting refurbished parts on old war guns from overseas for $8 an hr with mandatory 10hr days on your feet standing in front of a workbench doing the same little task 1,000 times over for the day, that job lasted a month and a half, hated every minute of it and don't miss that place for a day, that was, however, the only job I ever had that had some benefits. I then went back to farmwork and have worked for a couple different farmers, then I got a job landscaping last summer, but that didn't last long either, I only worked for that guy a month and half before I was laid off after the spring rush was over, but landscaping was a job I really enjoyed. I have been unemployed more than I have been employed, seems all I have been able to get are the real dirty jobs and I have worked along side mexicans doing farm work. It isn't because I am lazy why I haven't had a steady job, and I've always had to work hard for my money, highest paying job I've ever had was $10 an hr with no benefits, and that was doing the landscaping. When I was working for farmers I was earning $7 an hr no benefits and after getting mauled by a bull I decided that enough was enough, I couldn't afford to keep doing the farmwork. So at the moment I am unemployed again, and hoping to either start my own buisness or find work for another landscaper. Thats why I don't have health insurance.

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doodelbug

04-08-2006 15:28:06

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Re: Im in the wrong profession in reply to Jonfarmer, 04-08-2006 14:46:33

duhhhhh ever try getting some education so you can get a good job????? so now lets hear some more of why its not your fault. oh yea and there is still the military , they even send you to places you would not get to go to on your own.

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Jonfarmer

04-08-2006 15:47:27

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Re: Im in the wrong profession in reply to doodelbug, 04-08-2006 15:28:06

Even the college educated folks aren't getting very far ahead in my area. I love the area, but oppurtunitys are alittle hard to come by. Take a friend of mine, she went to college, and now is a bartender at the local watering hole, or my cousins wife who also went through 4yrs of college to become a neutricienist(sp?) , last I knew, she was working at a shoe store. Yeah, gee going to college sure did pay for them didn't it?. As far as joining the army, I decided I didn't want to go to war, which I obviously would if I was to join today. I didn't say that it wasn't my fault that I'm getting nowhere, but part of it is the area, there just isn't a whole lot for jobs in a rural ag community. what I did was defend myself against somebody who thinks everybody is capable of affording health insurance if they don't do anything frivolous, which is not nessesarily so.

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buickanddeere

04-08-2006 17:03:17

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Plan for the long term in reply to Jonfarmer, 04-08-2006 15:47:27

I knew it would be living a life of backbreaking work and living in poverty by staying in my rural area. All through public and high school, weekend jobs and summer odd jobs business's. The money was set aside for post secondary schooling. Then off to the *^^*^& city for an education,apprenticeship income and financial growth. After some years and building up some assets I'm back in my home rural area making more in a skilled trade than most academic professionals who wear a suit. Did I have to wait years for the results, study instead of partying, marrying and family in my 20's and 30's instead of teens and 20's? Did I have to spend week days for years in the crazy city? Yes. You are living in the land where people hire the mob to smuggle then in, some just get ripped off or killed . Or they risk death by floating a raft onto the US. Then they work hard and smart. After a few years some are worth more than somebody whose family has been in the US for eight generations. So quit wishing and whining for success and fortune to come to you. Get off your *ss, use your head and your back and get success for yourself. Most of my public school & high school classmates are absolutely puzzled that somehow one of them "got ahead". We all know people who have worked hard their entire lives and have nothing to show for it. They worked hard but they didn't plan or think. You can look for a pot of gold in a straw stack for years but never find one. Go dig yourself a gold mine instead.

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Jonfarmer

04-08-2006 17:32:10

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Re: Plan for the long term in reply to buickanddeere, 04-08-2006 17:03:17

You know..... I always thought that after high school things would just fall into place, I have learned that oppurtunity doesn't just fall right into your lap, proof of that is what I've done with my life over the last 4 years since graduation, I feel like I have wasted those years, I am a smart fellow, I know I am, but to tell you the truth, I never did figgure out what I want to do with my life, I couldn't answer it on graduation day, and I still really can't today, but I do know I don't want to be stuck in a dead end job and broke the rest of my life like I am now. I really do appreciate the advice, sometimes I have to hear it from someone else to make myself realise things that I know deep down inside.

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alg

04-09-2006 06:03:09

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Re: Plan for the long term in reply to Jonfarmer, 04-08-2006 17:32:10

Join the Navy,or Air force.Good training,good eats.And most likely you won't go to war.

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chuck t

04-08-2006 18:53:47

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Re: Plan for the long term in reply to Jonfarmer, 04-08-2006 17:32:10

Kid - you can let things happen or make things happen. Look at those idiot French kids right now, trying to gaurantee an easy life. The whole country peaked 200 years ago. The progressive risk takers left there and came over here, leaving the slackers behind. Get moving. P.S. the girl thing will take care of itself when you are a more interesting person. Get off the computer and get into the world. Good luck.

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dr.sportster

04-08-2006 12:13:02

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Re: Im in the wrong profession in reply to 37 chief, 04-07-2006 20:14:01

But even if the Snap-on truck had new eyeballs they would charge 18,000 dollars each,so you got a bargain.[When I was a kid I got brass in my eye and the doctor poked me in the eye with tweezers,charged my father five bucks, and sent me to a specialist.My father told him forget about the five bucks.]

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Lou

04-08-2006 09:14:16

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Re: Im in the wrong profession in reply to 37 chief, 04-07-2006 20:14:01

Ive read the posts below, and can only say health care is the biggest problem facing us in the USA. Drug companys buy our congressmen, and doctor want to be treated like Kings.

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Aaron Ford

04-08-2006 06:41:06

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Re: Im in the wrong profession in reply to 37 chief, 04-07-2006 20:14:01

I think I got all of ya beat. I was in the middle of buying my house and when we ran a credit check, I found that I owed a bill to a doctor in Indiana. I have never really been to Indiana other than to drive through. Certainly never been to a doctor there, or even close to there. Never heard of the doctor either. I had two choices, fight or pay. I paid.

At least y'all got something for your money. All I got was some Rx for my credit score.

Aaron

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Al -virginia

04-08-2006 11:00:04

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Re: Im in the wrong profession in reply to Aaron Ford, 04-08-2006 06:41:06

I would fight that. This is becoming a big business because of credit scores. Did you get credit report and inform the credit bureau. They Must prove it is legit. Do not just pay.

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Midwest redneck

04-08-2006 06:06:25

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Re: Im in the wrong profession in reply to 37 chief, 04-07-2006 20:14:01

In 1997 I had my gallbladder out. The procedure was about an hour + anestetic + nurses + one night stay in the hospital + IV . Total bill $8,800 I had to pay $700 or so of it. How about $1,200 for a colonoscopy, the procedure is an hour + IV..... I should be a doctor.

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buickanddeere

04-08-2006 13:26:03

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Re: Im in the wrong profession in reply to Midwest redneck, 04-08-2006 06:06:25

That isn't enough money to make me ram five feet of a glorified turbine engine inspection tooling up somebody's behind.Then have to look at it from the inside as well.

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old art

04-08-2006 18:17:59

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Re: Im in the wrong profession in reply to buickanddeere, 04-08-2006 13:26:03

how would you like to be the guy on the table when they look up the back end i get roled over they check up thr pe*** with some tools and take out tumbers not nice but glad they got me cleaned
out for now. no out side cutting old art

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buickanddeere

04-09-2006 02:43:29

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Re: Im in the wrong profession in reply to old art, 04-08-2006 18:17:59

Knock me out cold for something like that.

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Midwest redneck

04-08-2006 13:35:01

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Re: Im in the wrong profession in reply to buickanddeere, 04-08-2006 13:26:03

I here ya there, being a proctologist would be the lowest of the low as far as specialist doctors go. I had the procedure done when I was 33. I am going to be 37 in about 6 weeks but I thought that dying of colon cancer at 40 would be a tragic end especially when my boy was 18 months old at the time (he is now 5) I am fine but I wanted to make sure, I had 2 polyps plus a family history of colon cancer.

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buickanddeere

04-08-2006 17:07:22

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Re: Im in the wrong profession in reply to Midwest redneck, 04-08-2006 13:35:01

Can you send me your e-mail address?

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buickanddeere

04-08-2006 05:42:13

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Btlgeus situation Re: Im in the wrong profession in reply to 37 chief, 04-07-2006 20:14:01

Same situation here.I'm traveling stateside This Monday and paying out of pocket to obtain a test scan for a known problem. The idea is to find out how serious before the "free" but slow and limited resourced Canadian Health Care system does it's thing. A few years ago the wait was nine months just to get scanned in the middle of the night for a MRI on a damaged joint. Not to brag but I make more than a Canadian but not an American doctor, as a trades man. Doesn't seem right either to find your own name on a public accessable internet Government list with your yearly income for everybody to see. So much for privacy. www.fin.gov.on.ca/english/publications/salarydisclosure

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Ol Chief

04-08-2006 05:35:06

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Re: Im in the wrong profession in reply to 37 chief, 04-07-2006 20:14:01

I certainly agree.Last month I unintentionally disturbed a nest of ground bees(yellow jackets).I received atleast 66 stings that could be counted or more because some overlapped.A friend nearby saw this happen and got me away before even more damage was done. Almost all stings were around my left temple and forehead.The friend drove me to hospital 10 miles and on arrival there were at least six or more bees that had made the trip with us in back of tne truck.I was in the Emerg.Rm for about forty minutes. They gave me an inter veinous for awhile and plucked out about 30 stinger barbs.I got a bill 10 days later for $1864.Yeah Wrong profession.I know their overhead is high but the doctors fee was $525 and I only saw him in two short bursts of about two minutes each.

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Yugrotcart

04-08-2006 04:58:58

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Re: Im in the wrong profession in reply to 37 chief, 04-07-2006 20:14:01

I was to the dentist here in Canada, had a cleaning and some work done. Sent the bill to my companies insurance provider, in less than a week had a cheque back for all but $5.00 of the bill. That is one of the benifits of my job, don't pay a cent for it, part of the reason I work there.

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phil lowe

04-08-2006 04:24:16

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Re: Im in the wrong profession in reply to 37 chief, 04-07-2006 20:14:01

On Canadian health care..Out here on the east coast we pay 10% provincial tax(Used to be called health tax) and 7% going to 6% federal tax(Thanks to our new prime minister) on FREAKING everything!!!
Out in Alberta ,(The Texas of the north) they don't pay provicial tax..
We also have various service fee's that the province runs "more tax"..
Yup I waited two years to see a specialist about a shoulder injury and 6 more months for operation ,,
But when my Mother got a brain tumour they were able to diagnoss it from the time it took for me to drive from home to the hospital(20 minutes)and no worries about how we were gonna pay for the CAT scan or treatment(although there wasn't "Much" treatment in her case R.I.P. ,,Yes our health care system has many drawbacks ,and it is hard to get a family doctor in some areas.
But for real emergencies it still works.
And dental care is not covered for adults in my province(Nova Scotia)

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04-08-2006 01:41:45

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Re: Im in the wrong profession in reply to 37 chief, 04-07-2006 20:14:01

We had some info postings on Canadian health care couple months back, medical attention fair, disasterous illness cost is less for patient, some waiting for heart and kidney work. Financing was a combination of low premiums backed by VAT- what amounts to sales tax-,a bit of gas tax, some income tax share to provincial governments. Docs can do medical treatment outside of health plan to non resident/non citizens of Canada for cash -thats the american and other patients. Works fairly good for the population, some gripes about waiting for some procedures, some docs head to US for high $ practice. RN.

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Bob

04-08-2006 00:41:32

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Re: Im in the wrong profession in reply to 37 chief, 04-07-2006 20:14:01

Heck, according to this post over on "Tales", do-it yourself eye surgery is now a reality. (I was surprised to se the kit wasn't make by the Lirpa Loof Company!)

Fix your own eyes

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Rob NC

04-07-2006 21:15:15

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Re: Im in the wrong profession in reply to 37 chief, 04-07-2006 20:14:01

did you have on your safety glasses? even with small jobs i have learned to put them on.

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37 chief

04-08-2006 00:17:34

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Re: Im in the wrong profession in reply to Rob NC, 04-07-2006 21:15:15

I have prescription safety glasses. and always wear them, or I couldn't see what I am doing. The only problem is I didn't have the side shields on them. I guess the piece came in from the side. Stan

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kyhayman

04-07-2006 21:01:44

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Re: Im in the wrong profession in reply to 37 chief, 04-07-2006 20:14:01

I know what you mean. I had to have a verneer redone on my front tooth this week. Whew..... ..... ..

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Alberta Mike

04-07-2006 20:41:19

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Re: Im in the wrong profession in reply to 37 chief, 04-07-2006 20:14:01

Up here of course, there is universal medicare (g0vernment pays the way for everyone) so I sympasize with you however I do have a question. If you have insurance, why did you have to pay the $180?

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37 chief

04-08-2006 00:12:24

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Re: Im in the wrong profession in reply to Alberta Mike, 04-07-2006 20:41:19

If I would have gone to a doctor covered by my insurance, I would still have had to pay for a office call, around $35.00, and drive 50 miles. So I went to a doctor closer to me. Where I would have had to pay for a office call anyway, and maybe a little more for his time, boy was I wrong. Stan

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Badly Bent

04-07-2006 20:51:20

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Re: Im in the wrong profession in reply to Alberta Mike, 04-07-2006 20:41:19

What you mean is that the taxpayers pay for everyone. Even those who aren't taxpayers...

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Jonfarmer

04-07-2006 21:09:23

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Re: Im in the wrong profession in reply to Badly Bent, 04-07-2006 20:51:20

Yeah, but I'll bet the population is in alot better health. Hey, that made me think of something, what if I applied for dual citizenship, would I then be able to recieve free medical care in Canada?. I can't afford health insurance, and I am worried about my health and hope nothing happens, I haven't had my teeth checked in several years, and only being 21, I'd really like to make sure to take care of myself. I like the idea of everyone being able to get the medical attention they need, that would be a big relief to me for example, because I am worried that I'm going to get hurt or sick and I'll be out in the cold.

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davpal

04-09-2006 01:50:04

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Re: Im in the wrong profession in reply to Jonfarmer, 04-07-2006 21:09:23

Trust me kid you are not going to want to apply for citizenship in Canada unless you want to pay about 50% income taxes. You might as well move to England. You are in the best country in the world and can do extremely well for yourself. I have always had a saying I tell the younger guys at work. If you have a little ambition and a little education you will go a little ways. If you have a little education and a lot of ambition you will go farther. If you have a lot of education but no ambition you will only go a little ways. So you sometimes have to make up for a lack of education with a lot of ambition or a lack of ambition with a lot of education. Any way you look at it ambitious people always will accomplish more than anybody. Throw some education and some common sense in the mixture and you can accomplish anything. But don't sit around and have a pity party and the biggest advice I can give you is don't hang around losers. They always can have a way of rubbing off on you and you defenitely don't want that. Hang around positive people that are successful and do what they do and you will turn out just fine. You are very young and have a lot of good years ahead of you. Also not having a house payment or mortgage or car payment is the biggest blessing you have going for you right now. Just because people have those things does not mean they are truly successful. You are better off at home or renting a place to flop until you are ready to truly settle down. The right girl will have that all figured out for you someday and if you already have a house she probably wont like it anyway! Good luck.

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Btlgeus

04-07-2006 22:03:07

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Re: Im in the wrong profession in reply to Jonfarmer, 04-07-2006 21:09:23

Yeah, in Canada they have National health care, but if it's so great why are they coming over the border and paying out of pocket for U.S. doctors to treat them? Better doctors and shorter wait.

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Jonfarmer

04-07-2006 23:42:45

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Re: Im in the wrong profession in reply to Btlgeus, 04-07-2006 22:03:07

Americans do the same thing. I keep hearing Canadian dentists charge only like 1/3 to 1/2 of what American dentists charge, etc... I've heard Lasik is alot cheaper across the border in Quebec as well, which is a procedure I'd like done some day. I keep hearing about the difference in money too, I know alot of Canadians do their shopping here, everytime I go into Walmart I see alot of them and I've been told it's because the stuff is cheaper here for them with the money exchange.

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04-08-2006 01:43:56

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Re: Im in the wrong profession in reply to Jonfarmer, 04-07-2006 23:42:45

Price difference could be VAT/sales tax -is higher in Canada.

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Jonfarmer

04-08-2006 09:03:31

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Re: Im in the wrong profession in reply to RN, 04-08-2006 01:43:56

That could be. I know there has got to be some advantage as to why they would want to go through the hassle of bringing goods back through customs, the customs officials pawing through it all looking for contraband and what not. Whats up with your candy bars?, got a couple of candy bars out of Quebec, they taste terrible compaired to the American ones, and they were brands also sold here, tasted like they had way less sugar.

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Ken Macfarlane

04-08-2006 04:32:52

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Re: Im in the wrong profession in reply to RN, 04-08-2006 01:43:56

Up here emergency care is good but if you aren't gonna die from a problem it is a long wait to see a specialist. Many of our doctors work here to get experience then are hired by higher paying US hospitals. All part of the brain drain.

My wife has been to the hospital 4 times since Jan for severe abdominal pain and has a CT scan etc. They determined it wasn't life threatening so she has had to wait months to see a specialist to diagnose it. Many people simply drive to Boston from here and pay out of pocket to see a specialist quickly.

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Jonfarmer

04-08-2006 08:55:51

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Re: Im in the wrong profession in reply to Ken Macfarlane, 04-08-2006 04:32:52

Oh, well maybe your health care isn't so great, but atleast I'd be able to afford it. I saw a chart of the ten best paying careers, and surgeons here in the U.S make a average of $140,000 a year, and thats working for a hospital. I know the brain drain thing has been all over CNN, but if you can't afford the care then just having it availible isn't much good.

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steveormary

04-08-2006 17:32:51

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Re: Im in the wrong profession in reply to Jonfarmer, 04-08-2006 08:55:51

Me Too;

I found out early on that if you had a job offer you better take it. You get work experience and time to look for a better job.

When we first retired and moves south every one said; go to Mexico,dental work is alot cheaper.

well,lets see. car gets 30mpg. gaso now is 2.69/gal. 4 hr.round trip, meals and other stuff.
Then they screw up the procedure and you either have to go back or find a dentist locally.ENUF.

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buickanddeere

04-08-2006 17:15:05

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Re: Im in the wrong profession in reply to Jonfarmer, 04-08-2006 08:55:51

The Canadian health Care System is being paid by people like myself. Between one thing and another the gov't swine took $55,000 off the top of my paychecks last year. Go get your teeth looked at. Brush and floss properly twice daily too. You think it's too $$$ to see a dentist now. Just wait a few years until you have a mouthful of painful rotten teeth and gums. Have you caught on yet that these high income people sacrficed for years to make the $$$ now? A good income isn't like winning the lottery. Get off your can, quit whining, enlist, go back to school or get a trade.

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