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NEsota

04-07-2006 18:36:39




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Am trying to put together a water spray system to use in controlling the burning or native pasture and CRP. Plan to use a Cat model 280 pump driven by 5h.p. Wisconsin engine. This should provide me with up to 10 gpm at 500 psi. Want to use Spraying Systems gun on the end of a 100 foot ¾” hose. This post is to solicit experience, input and opinions on this.




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NEsota

04-10-2006 16:19:07




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 Re: Controlled burn equipment in reply to NEsota, 04-07-2006 18:36:39  
My controlled burns have not been that controlled and have involved the local rural volunteer fire department, station is three miles from my site. The best burn was when they were on the scene before lighting up. Some burns have scared everything out of me and it is not a good feeling. I feel very lucky because the biggest loss so far was a fence post. My intention with the equipment proposed is to lay down two wet lines a rod or two apart around the parameters, following and controlling the fire between the lines. After that is done lighting the remaining area. As stated in one of the responses the important thing then is having ideal weather conditions. We have used an LP torch or drip ignition (gas diesel mix). Drip is the way to go. Thank you for your responses. CAUTION can not be over stated.

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Gene Painter

04-09-2006 19:22:02




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 Re: Controlled burn equipment in reply to NEsota, 04-07-2006 18:36:39  
I have been burining our CRP for 15 or so years. The trick is having a good fire line prepared. Mow, rake, and or disk around the perimeter. If you can mow and rake around it the fall before. Then catch a day with the right humidity and low wind. You want some wind.
Start the fire with the wind in your face. Let the fire burin into the wind. Do this until you have a 30 yard or so black strip. Once you have a good burn line go to the other side and fire that side then stand back and watch the fun. We use rubber "flappers" and ATV sprayers. If you do your fire lines right you dont have to do much fire fighting.

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Leland

04-08-2006 18:35:33




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 Re: Controlled burn equipment in reply to NEsota, 04-07-2006 18:36:39  
You need at least a 1000 gal tank and at least a 5 hp pump ,and don't forget firebreaks as no one else did you need to make at least 5 rounds with a disk to contain the fire as grass can explode in a heart beat seen it happen many times .



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Midwest redneck

04-08-2006 06:17:55




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 Re: Controlled burn equipment in reply to NEsota, 04-07-2006 18:36:39  
I agree with others here. You need volume and a lot of it to fight fires. I would only "burn" anything if it was in a campfire or 55 gallon drum and it rained within a day or so. In my area of Michigan 2 or 3 years ago a guy was burning stuff and it got away and he burned up a lot of land that wasnt his. I would only do this with the firedept right there with trucks. Better to be safe then sued off the face of the earth.

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Glen in TX

04-07-2006 21:25:08




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 Re: Controlled burn equipment in reply to NEsota, 04-07-2006 18:36:39  
Well, we are still in a burn ban here so won't be any controlled burning here for a while. You aren't going to control anything with 10 GPM pump. Our 6x6 5 ton fire truck has a 318 Chrysler with a 850 gpm pump and on windy days like yesterday you can't even keep up to fight a fire with it let alone control one. Most everyone has 11 to 20 HP pumps on smaller brush rigs here and those are just for smaller grass burning. Controlled burn is a poor term anyway and there is no such thing until the fire is out and stayed out for several days and no monetary damage, property damage, or causalties have occured and then you might can call it controlled? Better check with local fire dept. and your USDA local folks too before doing anything and consider the wildlife impact of a burn also. They have them call our FD and we are always in touch with NWS radio weather reports for wind fronts coming in and wind direction changes but like Dave is saying below because of insurance and lawyers we can't go out there and babysit a so called controlled burn saying it won't and can't get away. So be careful with whatever you decide or find out.

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Broomstacker

04-07-2006 20:15:36




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 Re: Controlled burn equipment in reply to NEsota, 04-07-2006 18:36:39  
One thing more! Read John in LA's posted thread on this forum just below this one!



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Broomstacker

04-07-2006 20:12:41




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 Re: Controlled burn equipment in reply to NEsota, 04-07-2006 18:36:39  
Dave is right. 10gpm is no fire fighter. Fire is fought primarily with volume, not pressure. You are removing the heat and blocking the oxygen. Volume is what does it. You also didn't mention what your water source is. Pond? Tank? How many gallons can you access, anywhere the fire might be? What if the wind comes up unexpectedly? ...or switches directions? Why not talk with your local firemen? They may offer some suggestions on backburning. Heck, they may even offer to come out and help! No one likes to be called out to fight an out of control grass fire. Takes a lot less energy to plan one right and keep it where it belongs! Good luck!

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Dave NE IA

04-07-2006 19:52:31




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 Re: Controlled burn equipment in reply to NEsota, 04-07-2006 18:36:39  
Something we often forget is back burning, very easy way to help keep on top of the situation. I'm a volenteer fireman, and we assist many times doing this free of charge. However insurance Co. are making any type of volenteer work a big question mark. Fire hose nozzles are usualy set at 100# at the nozzle. We have a 5 ton army truck with two street sweeper nozzles on the front with 1,200 gallon tank. Rated at 350 GPM is what alot of small pumps are rated, usualy 11HP range for brush buggy's. Dave NE IA

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ejr-IA.

04-07-2006 19:05:49




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 Re: Controlled burn equipment in reply to NEsota, 04-07-2006 18:36:39  
Do a Google search on control burning CRP crop land.Went their and theirs lots of information.



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