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Be pateint.....I Found YET ANOTHER machine

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rboulware

03-08-2006 19:14:55




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Well, I have found a White tractor 2-105 that is REALLY Close by. He is asking $3,000.00. I am not to familure with this brand of tractor. Has anyone else had any experiance with these Machines? It seems from what I read here, that the Hydrolics are the week spot on these things....Any one want to comment?

Anyways the motor needs to be rebuilt, it is the same motor in the Massey 1100. SO thats GOT to be a GOOD thing, being the reputation for these MF tractors were so good. Anyways what yalls experiance with these tractors?

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rboulware

03-10-2006 10:11:10




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 Re: Be pateint.....I Found YET ANOTHER machine in reply to rboulware, 03-08-2006 19:14:55  
Thanks again for everyones time and effort. It has MOST helpfull. I will keep everyone in tuned to what I FINALLY do....



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JohnDeereGreen

03-09-2006 15:28:46




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 Re: Be pateint.....I Found YET ANOTHER machine in reply to rboulware, 03-08-2006 19:14:55  
We have a White 2-105 on our farm in SW Ohio. It has about 3500 hours on it, and still works like brand new. The over-under makes running it a lot easier, especially with grain carts, no till drills, and planters. If it is in good shape and working properly, I would compare it to the Deere Powershift for many things. Our's is a lot less jerky when you flip the lever, where Powershifts like to jerk you around sometimes. I don't know if this is the standard for most, but our transmission is fairly fussy about getting it in and out of certan gears. Just takes time to get used to. Most of the 2-105's that I have seen are going for between 8 and 12 thousand, so to me 3000 is a great deal. Personally though, I would run it for a while without doing anything with the engine, just to see what shape it's in. Hope this helps ya,
JohnDeereGreen

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Turk

03-09-2006 07:30:58




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 Re: Be pateint.....I Found YET ANOTHER machine in reply to rboulware, 03-08-2006 19:14:55  
I hate to offer myself up as the odd man out, but I really don't like them. I thought they were unusually hard to work on for a modern machine. Before you lift the engine out you have to pull the PTO out and pull the fuel tank, and to get the tank out you have to tilt the cab back. And there is an o-ring on the back of the O/U coupler, no matter how careful you are you don't know if it went in undamaged until it is finished enough to run the engine. And an awful lot of external hydraulic lines to leak that are built into the cases on most of the other brands. Due to the old belly casting design they are quite heavy, they will therefore out pull anything in their horsepower class but nothing in their weight class. The Perkins is a good engine, but compared to AC, JD, IH, or Cummins engines, they really don't stand out. I worked at an AC dealer that carried White, and I remember wanting to hide when a dead one came in. I do like using them, easy to handle and user friendly.

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rboulware

03-09-2006 09:34:08




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 Re: Be pateint.....I Found YET ANOTHER machine in reply to Turk, 03-09-2006 07:30:58  
Turk,
I am GLAD you pitched in on this. Yes indeed the Engine DOES need over hauling. So I guess I need to REALLY consider this when looking for one.



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rboulware

03-09-2006 06:43:59




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 Re: Be pateint.....I Found YET ANOTHER machine in reply to rboulware, 03-08-2006 19:14:55  
Thanks EVERY one for your patients I know I will make a desion soon. I have Case 1070, Massey 1100, and now White 2-105. There seems to be good and bad with all three.

Do the case 1070's have issues with their power shift transmisions?



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JMS/MN

03-09-2006 08:18:39




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 Re: Be pateint.....I Found YET ANOTHER machine in reply to rboulware, 03-09-2006 06:43:59  
The 70 series powershift had some history of the pto engaging by itself. Not fun to leave the engine running while you unplug a machine.



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JDknut

03-09-2006 04:30:20




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 Re: Be pateint.....I Found YET ANOTHER machine in reply to rboulware, 03-08-2006 19:14:55  
That's a give away price. The White 2-105 is a very stout, well engineered and built tractor. I think it is more tractor than the same size Deere or IH, and I say this as an unabashed Deere fan. It is about 3000 lbs more iron where it counts than an equivalent HP of another make. The hydraulics are one of the strong points, they use a closed centre system a la Deere except that the pump is easier to get at. Also, the hydraulic reservoir is separate from the transmission and final drive reservoirs, this is another very good point, keeps the hydraulic oil cleaner. I saw a dealer inframe that was done on a 2-105 with MFWD and cab because the guy used too much ether to try to start it, bent the rods and scuffed the cylinders but the stout crank held. The total cost of that was $4,500. The Perkins is one of the very best engines of that size ever built, and it has dry sleeves to boot. Only downside is they are cold blooded, hard to start when cold, but just plug it in and you are good to go. The Over-Under Hydraul Shift-the 3-speed partial range power shift that most Whites had is a well built unit and very tough. Another good thing about the White, that impressed me when I saw it, is that it has filters on it all over the place, it is just sprinkled all over with the gosh-darned things. You use lots of filters on something that is built to last, just filter the hell out of all those oils, keep 'em clean. I had a 2-85 (essentially a 2-105 without the turbo) and thus know of what I speak and wish to heck I had kept it. Even with a $4500 overhaul added to the $3,000 price, you would have $7500 in it which is not a bad price as long as the rest of the tractor is semi-decent. Good luck, excuse the long post, just my $0.02.

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rboulware

03-09-2006 06:39:47




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 Re: Be pateint.....I Found YET ANOTHER machine in reply to JDknut, 03-09-2006 04:30:20  
Great Post!! Thank you...Now I have a guy trying to make me a deal on a Case 1070...just something else to muddy the waters..



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JDknut

03-09-2006 09:01:28




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 Re: Be pateint.....I Found YET ANOTHER machine in reply to rboulware, 03-09-2006 06:39:47  
Thanks, just wanted to share my experience with the White. The other deal, now that would really muddy the waters as the Case 1070 Agri King is also one HELL of a good tractor. ALtho I have heard that some of the power shifts had issues, I'd stay away from the power shift unless it was really tip top.



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Don-Wi

03-08-2006 20:32:15




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 Re: Be pateint.....I Found YET ANOTHER machine in reply to rboulware, 03-08-2006 19:14:55  
Well, you can get more info on these on the Oliver board, as that is what they came from.

The 2-105 is a good machine, it uses the same rear end as the 18-1955's but uses a trunion coupler vs. a chain coupler between the over/under and transmission. $3000 is very cheap, but you said the engine needs to be rebuilt so that evens it out some.

There are several versions of the 354 Perkins, one version was used in the Oliver 1850 and a later version was used in the White 2-85 (non-turboed) and 2-105 (turbo).

Have you had a chance to look it over at all? Hear it run? Does the engine have a miss, smoke really bad, or knock?

I don't know what it would run to overhaul one of these, but parts alone could add up to $2000 or more in a hurry, depending on what you do. It would be worth it provided the rest of the tractor is in decent shape....
Donovan from Wisconsin

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rboulware

03-08-2006 20:51:37




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 Re: Be pateint.....I Found YET ANOTHER machine in reply to Don-Wi, 03-08-2006 20:32:15  
Well I was told that the Motor Smoked alot and needed New rings. I was going to look at it this Saturday. I am looking at a Massey 1100 as well, it seems these two machines were very comperable.

Did they make a version of this Engine in the 2-105 that was NON Turbo?



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Mike M

03-09-2006 06:45:56




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 Re: Be pateint.....I Found YET ANOTHER machine in reply to rboulware, 03-08-2006 20:51:37  
It's engine very well could be shot,but there also could be other reasons for smoke too.Plugged air cleaner,timing off,bad injectors ?



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Don-Wi

03-09-2006 05:59:16




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 Re: Be pateint.....I Found YET ANOTHER machine in reply to rboulware, 03-08-2006 20:51:37  
This has been discussed in the past, and just rings is a bad idea. You need to replace the bearings on the bottom, you may need to grind the crank some depending on wear. If it just smokes a little but still runs strong, I"d run it like it is for a little while and see if everything else is good. $3000 is cheap for a 2-105 in any condition.

The 2-85 like Dairyman said is the same engine w/out a turbo. 85 HP vs 105HP
Donovan from Wisconsin

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dairyman

03-09-2006 05:45:10




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 Re: Be pateint.....I Found YET ANOTHER machine in reply to rboulware, 03-08-2006 20:51:37  
if you want a version of this tractor that does not have a turbo look at a 2-85 they are the same tractor but the 2-85 does not have a turbo. they are very good tractors and well worth the money.



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Bison

03-08-2006 19:34:25




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 Re: Be pateint.....I Found YET ANOTHER machine in reply to rboulware, 03-08-2006 19:14:55  
Now I take it that you have a perkins engine in that tractor. I have a couple of cockshut 1855's that preceded the white tractors wich are basicly the same tractors. the white corporation had taken over cockshut. having said that , I have had good luck with my tractors over the last 20 years.

I believe the 2-105 has the gear shifter on the rightside fenderwall. And that was not the best change they made, as that causes difficult shifting when the linkage is wore a bit. But other than that I think they are good strong tractors .

I think the price is a tad high if the engine needs a overhaul. you better price that out before doing a bid.

My two cents worth.

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Don-Wi

03-08-2006 20:18:28




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 Re: Be pateint.....I Found YET ANOTHER machine in reply to Bison, 03-08-2006 19:34:25  
Nope, the 2-105 is still basically the same rear end as your 1855 w/ the shifter between your legs.

And yup, the engine is a turboed Perkins 6-354.
Donovan from Wisconsin



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