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Tim, Ohio

03-01-2006 04:45:53




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Hello Everyone,

Okay, I have lived at my country property
for a little over five years now. I am ready
to do something about the pressure system on my well. I want to upgrade to a larger pressure tank and replumb everything. The problem I am asking about a solution for is concerning a limitation on the size of pressure tank that can be used. At this
time, I have a tank with an 8.5 gallon capacity
and a drawdown of 4.3 gallons. This tank is located in a crawl space. The only access is through an opening between floor joists (16"
on center). I assume this is why such a small
tank was used. My question is: Can I use more than one tank of this size plumbed in line?
Is the drawn down pressure additive? In other
words if I use three tanks with a 4.3 draw
down will I have a total of 12.9 with a 20/40 pressure switch? I am considering this over
trying to enlarge my opening. It would be a huge task since there are gas lines etc. to move.

Thanks,

Tim, Ohio

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T_Bone

03-02-2006 04:01:47




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 Re: well water system in reply to Tim, Ohio, 03-01-2006 04:45:53  
Hi Tim,

As stated yes you can add as many pressure tanks as you want. I just intalled a new PT with a 34gal draw down, about $385 from Lowes. You need to order online then they deliver to the local store for your pick-up. They have other sizes available. They say 2wks but they lied, 4wks.

I have a new PT that I'd sell cheap, $100, with 34gal draw down. Never been used but I did bounce it off the free-way a couple times on the way home...LOL

From your picture, I'd also plan on replacing a few fittings when you open that one up. Might also be a good time to clean up some electrical wiring.

Your thinking is correct, buy the largest PT you can get into the system as the larger the PT the cheaper it is to run the pump and the longer the pump lasts. I too would look at adding on a larger PT outside or inside a dedicated closet vs using several small PT, not cost effective, $195 smallest vs $385 for the larger PT.

Allan's system appears like a good idea but I would want to see the 10yr or 20yr gross cost, both installation and utility cost, VS the good o'l standard setup that's pretty cheap for pumping water.

T_Bone

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paul

03-01-2006 07:54:21




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 Re: well water system in reply to Tim, Ohio, 03-01-2006 04:45:53  
You can do multiple tanks, or you can relocate the tank to someplace with more room for one bigger tank. They likely make longer tanks same diameter that you could fit through your space?

8gal is very small for a house.

--->Paul



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RayP(MI)

03-01-2006 06:53:33




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 Re: well water system in reply to Tim, Ohio, 03-01-2006 04:45:53  
Yes, you can add additional air/water reservoir tank(s). Don't even need to be right at the pump, can be remotely located in the plumbing where convenient. Are you sure present tank is properly filled with air? Has the rubber bladder deterioated and allowed the air supply to leak away?



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Sam (MO)

03-01-2006 05:42:07




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 Re: well water system in reply to Tim, Ohio, 03-01-2006 04:45:53  
Tim
I had to replace one on a moblie home about 2-3 years ago. I had to order the pressure tank but they make small ones that will fit into small spaces. What I can remember is it was a vertical model for 40 gallons. I belive I need to replace my pressure tank in my house pressure is up and down like crazy.

Alan
whats that tank in the pic there. and if I can ask whats the ball park price for that set up? had the pump replace in 94' so when it's time I might like to upgrade.

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Allan In NE

03-01-2006 05:55:27




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 Re: well water system in reply to Sam (MO), 03-01-2006 05:42:07  
The 1 gallon tank is a buffer to remove all the fluxuations in the system so the transducer can get an accurate fix on the pressure.

It was somewhere in the "$800-ish" range. Since this was a totally new hole, and after figurin' it up, it was just cheaper to go this direction.

Glad we did, because we are really impressed with this little gizmo.

Allan



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GeorgeH

03-01-2006 05:39:16




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 Re: well water system in reply to Tim, Ohio, 03-01-2006 04:45:53  
Allen, I was interested in your response as I too live in Ohio but my pump and tank are both in the basement (pump not in the casing - in fact, dont have a casing - shallow driven well). Would your suggestion still appply?



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Allan In NE

03-01-2006 05:57:29




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 Re: well water system in reply to GeorgeH, 03-01-2006 05:39:16  
Dunno George,

My strong suits are painted women, cigarettes and whiskey. You need to talk to the well people. :>)

Allan



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Rauville

03-01-2006 07:40:23




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 Re: well water system in reply to Allan In NE, 03-01-2006 05:57:29  
You're not the guy that I see hauling old iron with "Happiness is: Wilder Women,...Faster Horses,...Older Whiskey!" painted on his tailgate? ☺



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Allan In NE

03-01-2006 04:57:04




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 Re: well water system in reply to Tim, Ohio, 03-01-2006 04:45:53  
Tim,

Wouldn't it be just as easy to swap out the pump? New systems don't use a tank anymore; they vary the pump speed down in the hole.

Very cost competitive too.

Allan

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Allan In NE

03-01-2006 05:12:55




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 Re: well water system in reply to Allan In NE, 03-01-2006 04:57:04  
No more water logging, pressure switch, starter condenser, burnt out motors, or any of those old headaches.

All digital controlled via a transducer and are way "cheaper" than those old systems.

Added bonus is they throw water like you wouldn't believe.

Allan



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MarkB_MI

03-02-2006 04:12:43




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 Re: well water system in reply to Allan In NE, 03-01-2006 05:12:55  
Allan,

A friend of mine has a new variable speed pump setup and he likes it. One advantage is that you can easily vary the pressure up or down; you can have high pressure just when you need it, then turn it back down to save wear and tear on the pump.

On the other hand, when power goes out, I still have a couple of flushes in my old style pressure tank. He's out of water as soon as he loses power.

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Tim, Ohio

03-01-2006 07:10:46




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 Re: well water system in reply to Allan In NE, 03-01-2006 05:12:55  
Here is an image of what I am dealing with:


http://www.rieckesbaysidegallery.com/programfiles/talers/welsyt3.jpg



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TimS

03-01-2006 11:34:31




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 Re: well water system in reply to Tim, Ohio, 03-01-2006 07:10:46  
Allan, no offense, but you still have most of those things you mentioned, pressure switch, starter condenser, pressure tank...just in a new and improved form. The basics are really just about the same, they are just turning the pump on and off more often and varying its speed to maintain a steady pressure, right?

One of the advantages of the large pressure tank system was that you didn't cycle your well pump as often, they were designed for fewer, longer runs vs many shorter runs ( for instance, you are running your pump every time you wash your hands or flush a toilet ).

Not saying your system will have problems, its new technology and most likely much improved.

=)

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Allan In NE

03-01-2006 12:02:53




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 Re: well water system in reply to TimS, 03-01-2006 11:34:31  
No, look at it.

There is no starter pack, no switch, no pressure tank. They've been eleminated.

That motor just idles at the bottom of the hole and the speed is increased or decreased as is necessary to maintain the pressure.

The motor doesn't "come on" or "go off" like in conventional systems.

Allan



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TimS

03-01-2006 11:36:39




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 Re: well water system in reply to TimS, 03-01-2006 11:34:31  
Oh and to the original poster, you can hook tanks in series or just add a T in the crawlspace ( where the old tank was, it was most likely on a T already ) , feed the pipe up to a good location ( unused corner of a closet maybe ) and put a big tank in.



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Tim, Ohio

03-01-2006 07:24:10




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 Re: well water system-direct photo in reply to Tim, Ohio, 03-01-2006 07:10:46  
Here is the image with my e-mail.
The system is in good working order,
but the pump has to come on, then turn
off quite frequently. I am worried about wearing it out prematurely.



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Bill(Wis)

03-02-2006 11:51:27




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 Re: well water system-direct photo in reply to Tim, Ohio, 03-01-2006 07:24:10  
I wouldn't worry about that. My pump has been operating in the same well since 1947! It's a Sta-Rite pump with an A.O.Smith motor. Been through a few capacitors, replaced the switch a few times and had to rewire it once when the mice got into it and chewed the covering off the wires. It does everything but we don't have the holsteins anymore, so that reduces the need for water considerably.



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