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williamf

02-26-2006 08:10:14




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Since last Tuesday, when this happened, I've been trying to figure out how to explain it in a way that would be helpful to others and shows that I accept that it was entirely my fault and entirely avoidable, and yet doesn't make me appear to be a total donkey head. I'll have to settle for three out of four.
I was using my Ford 3500d TLB far down in the swamp, pushing the tree line back from the edge of of a road, making more room for the sawtooth oaks the huntclub planted some years back. There was a good size hackberry tree, maybe eighteen inches at the base, that needed to go. Its trunk split about three feet from the ground. The ground was soft from recent rain and when I put the hoe in next to the stump and gave it a tug the whole tree moved a little, let me know this would be an easy one. A little more digging got the main root loose on the left side, the left trunk started to tear away and roll my way. (This is where I screwed up. Should have stopped and pulled the hoe out, moved it to my side of the tree, and pushed.) No problem, I do trees this way all the time. The hoe is off center to my right and tree is on the right of that so as it pulls up the hoe, the mast and the roots on the far side of the stump turn it away from the tractor. It'll land lying right alongside.
This time, though, therewere no roots on the other side; it popped loose from the other trunk which then rolled it back my way. The main trunk landed between the steering wheel and the exhaust; the loader arms held it up off the tractor. A three inch limb, which would have been six or eight feet high, landed across my lap. Most of the weight was probably on the loader, but it felt like it was all on my left leg. It was heavy enough that it split the half inch plywood under the seat cushion. Trapped. My foot was slightly back on the platform and the only way to straighten my leg was to lift it slightly.
After a minute or two of panicked thrashing (I couldn't even wiggle it) I managed to move the control levers enough to raise the hoe and swing the back corner of the bucket under the trunk and press it against the standing trunk of the tree. There was no more than two inches of cylinder left to lift, but that was enough to get the weight off my thigh and let me pull my leg out and dismount, on the hop.
By the time help arrived (The hunt club guys said "Ol'Edward went from zero to hero.")I had removed the seat and muffler. After Edward climbed up and cut off the limb that had had me and was now tangled in the levers I was able to start the tractor up and back it out.
Bad as I hurt I took time to finish off the hackberry.
Lotsa lessons. Including, remember the camera. In fact, if I had one of those fancy new camera phones I coulda had some good flat leg shots.
I hope maybe I learned the better ones.
Wm

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retired farmer

02-27-2006 20:23:14




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 Re: Tree safety incident - a long story barely mad in reply to williamf, 02-26-2006 08:10:14  
Reminds me of an incident I had one time with my 560 Farmall, F11 front end loader and a cottonwood about 20 some inches in diameter and around 70 feet tall. I cut the proper v notches in the bottom about two feet above ground and got out of the way. Wouldn't you know it, the tree was perfectly balanced and would not fall down. I sawed some more until I had about an inch of cut left which I figured I better leave for safety. Still wouldn't fall. Well, brilliant idea, I had my tractor sitting closeby, so I figured if I raised the bucket up to about twelve feet and drove into it real slow, I could push it over. I pulled up to it and tilted the bucket about halfway, getting ready to jump off the tractor in case it started to fall. I didn't have the clutch and the throttle quite cordinated like I knew I should have when the edge of the bucket hit it the first time, ( I had welded two, three eights chain hooks on top of the bucket at the edges for lifting things), the tractor rolled back about four inches and I engaged the clutch again and hit it. I saw it start to move and thought it was going over forward. I glanced to my right and saw my wife standing about fourty feet from the rear wheel and kind of towards the front of the tractor. About that time the tree reversed directions and started coming back. Somehow I got the gearshift in neutral about the time the bark got caught on the right bucket chain hook and started taking the loader to the right. There was about two feet of clearance between the loader cylinder and the left side of the hood at the front and it took all that out and then started tipping the tractor over on the right side. I looked again and hollered at the wife to get out of the way. I was going to stay on the tractor as long as I could before jumping. The tractor got to a fourty five degree angle and was just on the verge of going on over, when the bark broke off and released its hold on the bucket. At that time I was standing on the seat with my left foot and my right foot was on top of the right rear wheel with my left hand on top of the steering wheel. The left edge of the seat and the rear wheel were were perfectly level. I could hear metal popping. Looked to see where wife was and she was still standing there, the top branches of the tree missed her by about a foot. The tractor stayed on its side for what seemed like eternity when finally the front of the loader decided to resume its original position in front of the tractor. It went like a slingshot. I decided to ride it out. We came back down on the left wheel with a big thud and the loader made a few more gyrations before it stopped. I thought, boy I killed my old tractor for sure. The whole incident took less than twenty seconds. I got back down on the seat and it was still running and the loader didn't seem any the worse off. I put it in gear and backed up, made sure the tree was firmly on the ground, and shut the tractor off. Checked to make sure the wife was alright and looked at the machinery. Didn't see any thing wrong so I chained the tree to the tractor and drug it to the dump. Drove the tractor to the house and shut it off. It was then that I noticed that the left loader bracket where it attaches to the rear axle was broken. Nothing serious, I would weld it back together in the morning. Got up the next morning and went out to work on it and the left rear tire was flat. A sharp piece of metal I had welded on the hydralic control valve mounting plate had come down and cut the inside sidewall of the tire clear thru to the tube. Had to buy a used tire to replace it and fixed the bracket. Could have been much worse, could have killed me and the wife and tipped the tractor over. Last time I did something like that.

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Dan Hill

03-05-2006 05:42:45




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 Re: Tree safety incident - a long story barely mad in reply to retired farmer, 02-27-2006 20:23:14  
Heres what you should have done.Took 3 steel wedges and a sledge and tipped the tree over.Keep tractor and wife away from tree felling jobs.Man was killed here last week by a tree that fell the wrong way.He had a tractor and cables and 2 helpers.This happens often around here.A fellow inherited the place across the road from me.He decided to cut down a large maple tree on the roadside next to the power line.He got the tree cut thru and it would not fall.The fellow who ran the general store was watching and came to see if I had wedges and a sledge.We wedged the tree over away from the power line and high way.It could have fallen on a passing car.The worst part was the tree was healthy.and was properly trimmed.

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Richard Scott

02-27-2006 18:20:18




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 Re: Tree safety incident - a long story barely mad in reply to williamf, 02-26-2006 08:10:14  
You don't have to be doing anything but be there to have a tree fall on you.

It had been a breezy weekend, but was dead calm on Monday where I was evaluating a stand for harvest. I started my increment borer into a tree when I heard off to my right "pow!", like a gun went off. Then, after 10 or 15 seconds, "pow!" again, and in a few seconds more, again. Then a 120 ft. tall silver fir started to fall, landing about 20 feet from me. Checked out the root system and concluded it was the roots breaking that I heard. There were 3 large roots on the tree on the side away from the direction of fall and they had broken in tension. Wood is very strong in tension, which is probably why they made the noise when they broke.

I have been in the woods for 30 years now and have seen several trees go down, but never with the noise that one made.

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IA Roy

02-26-2006 20:56:54




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 Re: Tree safety incident - a long story barely mad in reply to williamf, 02-26-2006 08:10:14  
Had a neighbor woman crushed with a windfallen tree a couple of years ago. It was laying on the ground, and her husband and friend were trimming and it rolled over onto her. Left 3 little kids behind. Of the three, I guess she was the only one who should have been spared, but it didn't happen that way.



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Dave NE IA

02-26-2006 16:31:04




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 Re: Tree safety incident - a long story barely mad in reply to williamf, 02-26-2006 08:10:14  
As said before timbers / trees are dangerous if you are walking through , hunting logging or dozing.
Here is one most folks would never figure could happen. I was a kid and the neighbor got a new 4020 unloaded off the truck about 10:00 Sat morning. We thru a new set of chains on and headed for the timber. He had me skidding the tree tops out into a clearing. I had to go thru a big ditch, but with a monster tractor like that it could raise the world. It always scratched coming out of the ditch, and a short limb five ft long and four inches in diameter lodged between the tire and chain. It brought it over the rear fender smashing it and broke the back of the seat off, smacked me up against the consel. The tractor had less than four running hours on. He wasn't mad, I was hurting but tried to not let on. Who would have ever thought of that. Dave NE IA

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Tom from Ontario

02-26-2006 12:11:38




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 Re: Tree safety incident - a long story barely mad in reply to williamf, 02-26-2006 08:10:14  
One thousand times you'll do a job and number 1001 it will kill you. Years ago I finished a job and the next Monday my boss and replacement were taking down a big maple tree in the fencerow. They got the tree down without incident, then John(replacement) gets on MF loader and puts it into the limbs and tops to turn it so it's easier to limb. One limb came up over the loader arms, whipped him off the tractor backwards, and he was in hospital with a smashed jaw, major concussion, flailed chest, you name it for months. Best on intentions, worst of results.

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Billy NY

02-26-2006 10:23:24




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 Re: Tree safety incident - a long story barely mad in reply to williamf, 02-26-2006 08:10:14  
It's a bad experience, that is good to share, it't probably been mentioned here many times too, but helps reinforce the fact that clearing trees and brush is a dangerous task. You are fortunate and am glad to hear you did not get severly injured or worse. I think it's good to post an experience like this, really gives a perspective on the dangers to consider. There are a lot of professionals who deal with this work, but with so many people taking it upon themselves to do their own work, many may not know the dangers involved.

I think the biggest mistake one can make is not having an exit route, I assume the Ford was an older open station model, hard to get out of danger quickly. Had to take a vine covered tree down last fall, took me longer to cut escape routes than to take the tree down !

When I was younger, I took a job with a large site work contractor and being low man on the totem pole, they assigned me to their oldest machine a 955 H or L, think was a 1970 or close to it, only had a weather cab, no r.o.p.s, company before that I ran a 977-L, (amongst other machines) with a stout r.o.p.s. limb riser /brush package, only screened at the back, they did not do forest work, but I really liked the set up, even looks great on that 977. None of the foreman ever gave any lecture on tree work at neither outfuit, and the company I took the new job with, started assigning me to jobsites that needed easements cleared for the pipe crew to follow in after. Even working in the sandy southern NJ areas, pines and some hardwoods, not real tall, but just as dangerous, I completed all the assigned work without incident, a lot of the sandy areas were easy to get the trees out. Then they sent me to a few jobsites with some really large hardwood trees that were to be removed, no training, no help, like a laborer or nothing. Lowboy delivers the machine, foreman calls you the night before, tells you what job to go to. I won't brag, but I had become a good operator on most earthwork machinery, but this kind of tree clearing work, with large trees, set a flag off. I'm like,"would'nt it be better to cut them down and remove the stumps, we have plenty of excavators ?" Well I did things on my own, stopped an excavator from working on a foundation hole and we worked together, never asked the foreman either, he must have realized I needed the help to do things safely, otherwise I think it would have been an argument, because I took no consideration in stopping another machine and the work it was doing no matter what site or foreman, always for my own safety. I would dig out the base while he braced it with the hoe, just as a safety precaution, then either the hoe or the 955 would push it over. Thinking about it now, no training, just do it mentality, could have put us in danger, you really have no idea what could happen, what if it twisted and came back at you, or top fell off like mentioned previously. I am thankful to have had some smarts, I did not really give a lot of thought or worry to this work, tried to do my job in good faith, but not realizing how dangerous it was, we cleared a lot of sites in that time, I'm glad I did not end up in one of those OSHA investigations you can look up on the governments website, all kinds of dozer and equipment fatalities, some bizarre, some not.

Even a D-8 size crawler, had best have a stout r.o.p.s. it's desgined to hold the weight of the tractor, in conjunction with the seat belt to protect the operator from being crushed, not for falling objects like trees, they are stout and withstand quite a bit, a healthy tree may not make a dent in it, this makes you feel safe, but if a big one were to fall on it, I'd not want to be inside. Have run many D8K's in those days, few D9's too, really seem invincible on tractors this size. Some of the machines fitted with heavy duty brush packages for massive clearing operations, they have a pusher attachment, so you can push way up high on a tree and keep a fair distance, lot of examples of this in Australia.

I cleared a small road down a hill a few years ago with my D7, had cut anything dangerous down, off to the side, but there was a fair amount of brush and vines, one 8" dia section was hung up and don't you know it found me, part of it whacked me in the side of the head, gave a slight concussion, was not good, another limb left a rub mark streak down the fuel tank, after all the years of foolin with clearing, had thought I eliminated the danger, nope, think the vines yanked it over my way, but it could have been much worse, this is an open station tractor, and I know better. Saw a picture of a guy pinned on the same model, 6" dia tree killed him, might have impaled him on a lever, it was a news article from the 50's someone posted, it really don't take much. I don't fool with machinery and trees anymore whenever possible. This guy has a 12 foot blade, and clears such a wide swath, you don't worry about things getting close, but what happened above, was a combination of things, and before you know it you're taking sucker punches from tree limbs ! Good reminder, play it safe with tree and brush clearing.

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LumbrJakMan

02-26-2006 09:41:28




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 Re: Tree safety incident - a long story barely mad in reply to williamf, 02-26-2006 08:10:14  
Well I am Fairly new to Tractors. I got my First ( Farmall H ) about 6 years ago. I am 42 and pretty Clever so I think. The Farmer up the Street and I started to see each other and I ended up kinda Hanging around the Barnyard at times and we developed a pretty good friendship. I decided I wanted to make a spot out back to keep my Tractors and equipment. So I got a Chainsaw and Headed out. He told me " make sure if your skiddin the trees out they are above your drawbar". I said what difference does it make. He shook his head and smiled and walked away. Well Not 2 days Later I found out. It seems if your trees are below your drawbar and hit a stump or rock or whatever You Get a real Nice View of BLUESKY real fast. I always cover my Clutch when I am working the Tractor . Good thing. About a Month Later he and I were sitting under the barn and I decided it may be time to share my new found knowledge. I told him , Its Kinda Funny how fast the front end comes up when your skiddin trees and get hung up. He Smiled again ..... and asked me this time , " What Difference does it make "

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RodInNS

02-26-2006 09:19:38




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 Re: Tree safety incident - a long story barely mad in reply to williamf, 02-26-2006 08:10:14  
You're very lucky. I've had a few come back on me with a D4H Cat. Luckly it's got the full forestry package, so they just bounce off the sweeps. The worst one I ever had was a 50' dead spruce spar. It was tangled in a hardwood I was man handling, and the top broke back and fell on the roof from 40' up. It hit so hard it knocked the foam off the roof of the cab. That was scary because I never saw it coming.
When you go screwing with those big trees, always cut the tree first. If it needs to be manipulated in a certain direction, and doesn't look like it will fall that way, set up with the hoe, and reach up high and put a strain on the tree to send it where you want, and then cut it. I do that at times with the D4 because it can't handle a lot of big trees like that either, and some can't be trusted to go in the right direction near a power line. The machine tips the balance... Be careful.

Rod

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Mike (WA)

02-26-2006 09:33:01




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 Re: Tree safety incident - a long story barely mad in reply to RodInNS, 02-26-2006 09:19:38  
In the Pacific Northwest, they call the tops of dead conifer snags "widowmakers"- they have this bad habit of falling on you while you're cutting the tree. Just the vibration from the chain saw will sometimes jar them loose, and also, they will break out and fall backwards (on you) when the main trunk starts to fall. Cat with full armor and canopy seems to be the best way to handle them.



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RodInNS

02-26-2006 18:36:45




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 Re: Tree safety incident - a long story barely mad in reply to Mike (WA), 02-26-2006 09:33:01  
Yes, some people around here call them widowmakers too. I didn't mean to suggest going near them with a saw. Only sound wood with the saw. I always play with the dead ones with a machine. They're fairly easy to deal with in the open most times anyway. It's actually fun when you see them coming. Just got a scare from that one because I didn't see it.

Rod



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mud

02-26-2006 09:06:11




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 Re: Tree safety incident - a long story barely mad in reply to williamf, 02-26-2006 08:10:14  
Whew, that could have been worse. Glad you got through it. Funny how you replay those events over and over again after they happen. Next time a situation presents itself like this one you will be wiser. You got by easier than someone I know. Thanks for taking the time to share the experience. mud



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frankiee

02-26-2006 08:59:51




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 Re: Tree safety incident - a long story barely mad in reply to williamf, 02-26-2006 08:10:14  
Glad to hear from you to tell us what not to do.
I am glad that you are alive.
I was brought up in a bush being my dad cut out cedar swamps and I did have a cedar on top of my leg when I was young because I was wrong place.
This from Forbes

America's Most Dangerous Jobs Job Number Of Fatalities Fatality Rate* Timber Cutters 105 122.1 Fishermen 52 108.3 Pilots 230 100.8 Structural Metal Workers 47 59.5 Extractive Occupations 69 53.9 Roofers 65 30.2 Construction Workers 288 28.3 Truck Drivers 852 27.6

My dad has a cell we bought him because he still wanted to go to bush alone and work even though he is retired.
Its dangerous work and anything can happen even after 1000 times.
Had a tree leaning real heavy back so I made my cut and moved back and that darn tree defied gravity and came back my way to get me. I seen it coming and got out of the way. I dont know why to this day how the tree changed the laws of phisics, but it did.
We buy dad wood now in the log form delivered to the property to keep him out of the bush alone.
Knew a lot of bush cutters in my time and heard a lot of stories.
Glad to here this one from the person himself.
Be carefull out there.
Buddy system is nice if working dangerous jobs

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Allan in NE

02-26-2006 08:27:23




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 Re: Tree safety incident - a long story barely mad in reply to williamf, 02-26-2006 08:10:14  
Now darnit Bill!

You and I have to sit down and have a long talk. :>)

Tractors and trees don"t mix.....ever! That"s why D8 Cats were invented. :>)

Glad you are okay!!!

Allan



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Ken Crisman

02-26-2006 10:36:50




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 Re: Tree safety incident - a long story barely mad in reply to Allan in NE, 02-26-2006 08:27:23  
Another area to avoid or be very careful in is Tornado hit ares . Back in 83 a tornado went through some farming area nearby . A bunch of us guys from Church went out to help cleanup . The guy said we could haul away whta we wanted for heat . There was this oak tree about 3' across uprooted . Another guy that is about 6'2" was limbing it . I'm short & couldn't reach the limbs . So know it all me with a brand new 36" cut chainsaw decided to climb up the trunk . I figured i'd walk the tree & cut off the top & then chunk it as I walked backwards toward the roots . So as I proceede I noticed the ground seemed to be moving . Guess what I learned that day . The oak stood back , roots into hole like original . It threw me & a running 4+cc chainsaw I guess about 75 feet into the underbrush . My friends had to locate me by talking to me as they cut brush . Man I was a mess when they finally found me . But the Lord wasn't done with me here on earth yet . Praise God . I learned to steer clear of tornado struck areas . God Bless . Ken

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chris sweetland

02-26-2006 17:21:58




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 Re: Tree safety incident - a long story barely mad in reply to Ken Crisman, 02-26-2006 10:36:50  
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i was logging when the oak i was cutting rolled off the stump and right over the saw it was almost me insted of the saw it isant that bad i think im gonna find a ms 460 parts saw and get it going with this one another picture in the community album

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