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Dave NE IA

02-25-2006 17:36:17




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The old foot powered wet stone grinders are hard to find in good shape. I probaly will get some argument from some folks claiming they are stone, but a friend found the formula in a library one time years ago. He said it had clay dirt, cement,lard, and lime, but could not remember where he had read it. I have a bunch that the wheels are chipped, and I thought for our show days we could make a few. Any help would be appreciated. Don't worry or call the funny farm as I have done dumber things in the past for less reasons. Dave NE IA

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Dave NE IA

03-01-2006 21:12:36




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 Re: Foot powered wet stone formula in reply to Dave NE IA, 02-25-2006 17:36:17  
Did not find a answer yet, alot of good sugestions, and thanks for your kindness. The man that found it in the libary just ended up with to many birthdays. Perhaps someday he will remember. We have very near here a old stone mill that is being restored. Their information has gathered that the big stones for grinding feed were from I think from Italy and were segmated as many tractor wheel weights look simalar. I am reasonably sure they were Natures formula. Link This building is real close and it sure is much bigger than it looks like in the photo. The beams are just so large. Thanks everyone and I sure will report back if I find the answer. Dave NE IA

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MLP

02-28-2006 10:09:35




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 Re: Foot powered wet stone formula in reply to Dave NE IA, 02-25-2006 17:36:17  
You may be able to get some help here at this link.



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hayray

02-26-2006 10:42:32




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 Re: Foot powered wet stone formula in reply to Dave NE IA, 02-25-2006 17:36:17  
Check with a company that makes abrasives, there is a guy in Bancroft, MI that makes abrasives for companies, I tried to get him to make me some stones but never had any luck . They make them out of hundreds of different products. The best sharpening stones are those machineist stones, way better than the stones you buy at the hardware.



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T_Bone

02-26-2006 07:46:23




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 Re: Foot powered wet stone formula in reply to Dave NE IA, 02-25-2006 17:36:17  
Hi Dave,

I don't think I've ever seen anything on that but making bricks would be close?

I have a few books of methods of the 1800's and it seams no matter what they were making, 14%clay content when mixed with agerate was maximum. Any more clay content then the piece would crack as it dried.

Porcilin is nothing more than fine potters clay fired at 2000º. I have a couple porcilin rods for sharpening knives that works extrealy well. They put a finish edge on a knife very fast.

Cement is nothing more than fine clay or limestone fired at 500º(?) as the fine clay is blown over the fire.

Lard is a stiff fatty oil and I can't see why it would be used as oil and water repel each other. Maybe the lard was used on the finished stone face to keep the cooling water from disolving the stone?

Before cement was discovered they used lime and water as a cement that worked very well. Many stone biuldings that are well over 200yrs old used lime mortar base.

To obtain fine clay from any soil, pit the soil with a heavy amount of water working the soil to keep a thick slurry then let settle over night then skim off the thin clay layer the next morning then repeat. Most clay making pits were first dug out then slurry mixed with a drain opening then sun dried. They then could control how long the heavy water slurry would stay in the pit producing a finer clay.

T_Bone

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Bill WI

02-26-2006 07:37:39




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 Re: Foot powered wet stone formula in reply to Dave NE IA, 02-25-2006 17:36:17  
Try a search with whetstone.



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Coloken

02-25-2006 20:16:53




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 Re: Foot powered wet stone formula in reply to Dave NE IA, 02-25-2006 17:36:17  
Darned good question. Maybe both?



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Dave NE IA

02-25-2006 20:11:46




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 Re: Foot powered wet stone formula in reply to Dave NE IA, 02-25-2006 17:36:17  
Hugh, have you ever wondered why there usually is a chip out of the stone wheel? Many times there was a cup type metal container to hold the water in to cool the wet stone / tool being sharpened. When it got set out behind the shed mother nature kept water in it and with the freeze thaw cycles it decayed the stone. As I typed this I got to thinking in the sothern states that perhaps they are just fine yet. Dave NE IA

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VaTom

02-27-2006 04:46:13




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 Re: Foot powered wet stone formula in reply to Dave NE IA, 02-25-2006 20:11:46  
I have one that's still round. The problem with the bottom water bath is that there's always a side of the stone that's heavier and comes to rest at the bottom. If you have a pan of water there, the stone is always saturated, making it softer and more susceptible to wear. Even southern ones are rarely round. If mine ever had a water bath, it was missing.

I set a drip system over my stone to cool my steel. Coffee can with a small hole punched in the bottom. Works very well. From the stone grain, I'm pretty sure mine's quarried, not manufactured. Only complaint I have is that it's too coarse for putting a keen edge, but that's what you get with a single stone system.

Japanese water stones, 3 of them up to 5000 grit, are what I use when I want a really sharp tool. Surprisingly fast, such that I retired my oil stones. The pedal grinder is great for larger hand tools that don't have to be quite so sharp.

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Hugh MacKay

02-25-2006 18:09:20




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 Re: Foot powered wet stone formula in reply to Dave NE IA, 02-25-2006 17:36:17  
Dave: Nothing wrong with that idea or thinking, sorry I can't help you. Just encourage you to carry on. Let us know how it turns out, I would be interested in knowing.



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