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OK down to the LAST straw!!

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rboulware

02-23-2006 14:08:00




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OK Time is runing out for me and I have to fish or cut bait. I know where a two GOOD Alis chalmers D19' and One JD 4010. The 4010 is 5,500 delivered to my property. They claim it has a Brad NEW motor in it with a valve job done. some of you claim it was the 4020 rebuild which is even BETTER!
The Allis looks REAL Good from the pictures and the seller has a Great selling story for it. it is $4650.00 Delivered.

Here is what I have. I have 142 acres which only 40 acres will be farmed. The rest will be left natural. With that 40 acres the sky is the LIMIT. Right now, it needs a bush hogin in the WORST WAY!!! nothing but broom sage, bushes and shrubs and small saplings. So I will try to go over as much as i can with the Bush hog. Then, I will possibly disc the whole thing and put most of it in grass, and possible a small garden.

most of the time I will be using this tractor on Saturdays maybe in the afternoon's maybe...the property is 60 miles from my house. So the tractor WILL NOT be used daily. I think I have narrowed it down to these two..

so give me your comments PLEASE thank for all the help you all have given

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retired farmer

02-26-2006 00:32:00




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 Re: OK down to the LAST straw!! in reply to rboulware, 02-23-2006 14:08:00  
WHO would want to own an AC? Not me. Had a major overhaul on a 5020 JD I bought years ago. Come to find out they replaced one piston and liner, cleaned up rest of the old parts and put them back in and bolted it back together. No other new parts. Major overhaul consisted of the piston and liner. Good old tractor though, still dynoed out at 133 hp. Never had any engine problems. Parts are expensive for them.

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Brad Wright of MO

02-24-2006 08:48:28




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 Re: OK down to the LAST straw!! in reply to rboulware, 02-23-2006 14:08:00  
Our D-19 gas did not run all that hot. All though it is a good idea to have all guages working ours never ran hot. I think the hottest it ever got was about 180 if I remember correctly. The D-19 is a really good tractor. We use ours for unloading bales with a front end loader. Also we use it for carrying bales (when the fields are close) on the back and the front. Most of the time it is just used for pulling the rake though. We do disc the garden with it and it does fine. I would go with the D-19. But you have to look at the pros and cons to both tractors. A test drive is a good idea always. Just what I think.

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matthies

02-23-2006 19:26:11




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 Re: OK down to the LAST straw!! in reply to rboulware, 02-23-2006 14:08:00  
I'd ask for some paper work that shows its been overhauled. Cousin of mine just went through his 4630 that was overhauled. A new paint job was the overhaul.



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rboulware

02-23-2006 18:01:39




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 Re: OK down to the LAST straw!! in reply to rboulware, 02-23-2006 14:08:00  
Yeah you know I might just need to go with the Deer. Even though it looks ROUGH!!! I sort of liked the Gas D19 because It seemed so much simpler to fix and maintain. I am VERY familure with a GAs engine. I rebuilt a couple of Ford 302's and 289's. But I don't have much expriance with a diesel. But, I gues I will just have to learn how to work on a diesel now. Two things Bothered me on this tractor One the Transmision fluid was low on it, real low, almost past the dip stick. There has to be a leak in the hydrolics or something...I don't know, this is one of the things I will have to fix. Second, not a singel gauge worked, how could I tell if I loose oil pressure? Or if the motor is over heating? Other than also the tractor did look some what rough. It seemed mechanicaly SOUND...the price on it was $5,500.00...

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Hurst

02-23-2006 19:03:32




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 Re: OK down to the LAST straw!! in reply to rboulware, 02-23-2006 18:01:39  
I would be really careful. I always make sure that a temperature guage is working on every piece of equipement we have. Esp. with a diesel that size. We had a 6610 ford that ended up needing a complete overhaul after it was overheated and began to melt a piston down (the pump has never been touched on this thing). On the low transmission oil level, I would be very cautious of this. If you don't see a leak, it could be internal, transferring between compartments. A low oil level on a powershift transmission will lead to premature clutch failure due to too much heat and damage to the clutch pads. That thing could just be low because of something simple, but it could be major and cost you a lot of money. A powershift tranny is not fun nor cheap to rebuild. Tearing down a tranny is no fun either. Be cautious of it. If the guages are not working, some idiot could have been on the tractor and just run it into the ground pretty much, even with a new Overhaul. I would ask about the reason on the overhaul too. Good luck

Hurst

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JMS/MN

02-24-2006 06:42:15




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 Re: OK down to the LAST straw!! in reply to Hurst, 02-23-2006 19:03:32  
The JD is a 4010- they came in synchro only. Powershift started with the 20 Series.



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Hurst

02-23-2006 17:31:38




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 Re: OK down to the LAST straw!! in reply to rboulware, 02-23-2006 14:08:00  
If you are doing some tillage, if the d19 is equipped with snap coupler, that is by far a better draft control than 3pt hitch had. It transferred the weight much better than a 3pt could, as it had 1 pull pont and 2 lift points, not 3 points that got pull and 2 that have lift. Only using it once a week on a property like that could be a problem for a diesel, esp if you don't have power, as that can get hard to start on a cold day. Best advice is like I said in my other message to you, take them for a test drive. Also, maybe you should ask the owner to see some reciepts for teh engine overhauls. I know that is not trusting a man's "honor", but if he really did the work and wants to sell the tractor, this is business, not an honor society, so I would see no problem in asking for reciepts on something you will be spending thousands on. It sure would make me feel stupid if I tore apart an engine and found out that I had been lied to and ripped off. Just one thing to check. Biggest thing though, take them for a test drive, that will really help you make up your mind.

Hurst

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Bob/wis

02-23-2006 15:29:13




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 Re: OK down to the LAST straw!! in reply to rboulware, 02-23-2006 14:08:00  
Go with the deere. If you did not grow up with the AC hand clutch it can be hard to get used too. I had my first experince with a 200 AC on my baler. Ha da plug going in, ok no problem push the clutch in wait tell it goes through. WRONG the baler stopped. The owned forgot to tell me even that new of AC was not a true live power pto.
Later
Bob



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MN Bob

02-23-2006 15:16:47




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 Re: OK down to the LAST straw!! in reply to rboulware, 02-23-2006 14:08:00  
At the risk of repeating my earlyer post I go for the 4010. You did not say if all else was equal, 3 point, Number of Hyd. outlets etc. As long as it is set up like you want it, I say go for it. Good lluck and keep us posted.



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caseyc

02-23-2006 14:58:46




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 Re: OK down to the LAST straw!! in reply to rboulware, 02-23-2006 14:08:00  
as much as it curdles my blood to say this, given the two choices you should get the deere. the allis will kill your checkbook everday when you fill it up. the dealer network is also much better for the deere. with a rebuilt motor as you say it will serve you well for along time, gassers seem to peter out much sooner. too bad you couldn't find a nice farmall ;>}

casey in SD



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paul

02-23-2006 14:46:11




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 Re: OK down to the LAST straw!! in reply to rboulware, 02-23-2006 14:08:00  
Flip a coin. :)

Then don't look back, go have fun. :)

It's only iron, if it doesn't work out you trade it on a 'nother. If it works out great, you can be happy with your choice for many years.

Not too much down side.....

--->Paul



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rboulware

02-23-2006 14:47:28




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 Re: OK down to the LAST straw!! in reply to paul, 02-23-2006 14:46:11  
you know I kinda like that idea



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Mike M

02-23-2006 18:37:05




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 Re: OK down to the LAST straw!! in reply to rboulware, 02-23-2006 14:47:28  
If the Deere is at a reputable dealer than you may have some recourse if it is not what they claim.

I would not go with a gas model for the amount of work you need to do.

The Deere will be easier to unload if you don't like it.



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Keith T

02-23-2006 14:34:38




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 Re: OK down to the LAST straw!! in reply to rboulware, 02-23-2006 14:08:00  
I assume that they are both diesel powered .I would go with the Deere . Reasons (1) dealer network (2) resale value when you want to get rid of it (3)Personal preference,I like green paint better than orange



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rboulware

02-23-2006 14:46:37




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 Re: OK down to the LAST straw!! in reply to Keith T, 02-23-2006 14:34:38  
AC is a gas while the 4010 is a diesel



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TomTX

02-23-2006 14:29:55




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 Re: OK down to the LAST straw!! in reply to rboulware, 02-23-2006 14:08:00  
What do they mean by "brand new motor"? Short block? Rebuild? Ringed and painted? Better clarify exactly what they mean.



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rboulware

02-23-2006 14:43:41




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 Re: OK down to the LAST straw!! in reply to TomTX, 02-23-2006 14:29:55  
New rings pistons sleevs, rod and main bearings, Valve job



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dhermesc

02-23-2006 14:38:48




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 Re: OK down to the LAST straw!! in reply to TomTX, 02-23-2006 14:29:55  
I agree, if the engine is "rebuilt" why the designation for valves?



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DaveH IA

02-23-2006 14:28:27




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 Re: OK down to the LAST straw!! in reply to rboulware, 02-23-2006 14:08:00  
The 4010 has a PTO stub shaft bolted to the out- put shaft on the rear of the tractor-- keep the 4 bolts tight- check them often and never force the shaft in tight without rotating it--if the shaft runs loose it will bend a pin inside the tractor that shifts the PTO from 540 to 1000 rpms---if you bend this pin you get to split the tractor to replace it --only bad thing I've got to say about the 4010--they changed this on the 3020--4020--don't know much about AC --I started workin' at a JD dealer in 72

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rboulware

02-23-2006 14:52:11




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 Re: OK down to the LAST straw!! in reply to DaveH IA, 02-23-2006 14:28:27  
I am not sure what you mean by bending a pin and all....what did you mean by this?



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DaveH IA

02-23-2006 15:00:18




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 Re: OK down to the LAST straw!! in reply to rboulware, 02-23-2006 14:52:11  
The 3010=4010--shift the pto speed with a spring loaded shaft that pushes on a 1/8 in pin inside the tractor to hold it in 540 rpm-if the shaft comes loose it bends this pin and the pto will not turn till you split it and replace the pin---you need to look at a parts book to see what I'm talking about-its hard to explain but ask a dealer about it when you look at the parts book



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DaveH IA

02-23-2006 14:35:57




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 Re: OK down to the LAST straw!! in reply to DaveH IA, 02-23-2006 14:28:27  
OOPS just noticed you said diesel---still 24 volt system??that can be hard to work on if you are new at it



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