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D.O.T. trailer laws

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Rimshot

02-19-2006 08:38:02




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I have an older custom built trailer that is in perfect condition. It is rated at 10,500lbs. It is a bumper or rear hitch trailer. My question is does it have to have one of those break-away batteries on it to be legal in Iowa or any other state? I know a newer trailer usually has them on it but wondered about an older one. If I was to start hauling for hire what do I need for insurance and DOT approval? What all is tax deductible--a new pickup? Thanks

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John (C-IL)

02-19-2006 13:32:09




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 Re: D.O.T. trailer laws in reply to Rimshot, 02-19-2006 08:38:02  
We all skipped the tax question. Taxes can get pretty complicated, but all you really need to know is that you can only deduct expenses up to the amount of your income from that activity. You will have to file on a Schedule C business return.

If you want to deduct the value of the pickup it will either have to be expensed under 179 rules subject to recapture or depreciated. Once again, you can not create a loss against ordinary income. So the happiest outcome will be to break even with your trucking enterprise unless you get really serious about it.

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Patches

02-19-2006 11:31:43




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 Re: D.O.T. trailer laws in reply to Rimshot, 02-19-2006 08:38:02  
All the information you need for your truck and or trailer is at www.dot.gov. go to 49 CFR, subpart 397. All rules and Regs are listed there, keep in mind all states must obide by DOT Regulations, but they may mandate regulations which exceed Federal DOT regs.

Happy Trucking



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John (C-IL)

02-19-2006 10:35:48




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 Re: D.O.T. trailer laws in reply to Rimshot, 02-19-2006 08:38:02  
DOT: If your trailer is over 10,000GVW and you are hauling for hire you need a FEDERAL DOT number. Beyond that every state has different rules. If you are going to cross state lines you will have to comply with another set of regulations such as fuel permits, log books and vehicle inspections. You will also be subject to CDL rules, service time, medical card and drug testing.

Insurance: One of the local guys that only hauls his own stuff commmercially coast to coast told me it costs him $2500/year before he pulls out of the driveway. You may get by with your regular policy, but the first time there is a problem the insurance company will leave you hanging in the wind because you didn't tell them you were hauling for hire.

If anybody that is paying their way finds that you are an outlaw trucker they will hang you in a New York minute by making a couple of well placed phone calls.

Forget the commercial part, keep your trailer in excellent condition and go down the road on your merry way. If you want to do some favors for friends, just remember that you own everything on that trailer or someone else will own your truck and trailer.

Get a copy of Federal Motor Carrier Safety Regulations at your local truck stop or from JJ Keller. Get a copy of your state's CDL manual and study that. Consult your state's licensing regulations. And finally, don't ask us about insurance, call your own agent and be honest about what you are thinking about doing.

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Will in Mn

02-19-2006 10:54:09




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 Re: D.O.T. trailer laws in reply to John (C-IL), 02-19-2006 10:35:48  
A few years ago I got popped for not having a US DOT #. So I got one. The next time I got stopped I heroically showed them my US DOT #. Then they told me I didn't need one anyway since the pulling vehicle was not rated for over 10,000 #. In Minnesota you don't need a CDL for under 26,000 # but you need a health card if your combined weight is over 10,000#.



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John (C-IL)

02-19-2006 13:24:53




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 Re: D.O.T. trailer laws in reply to Will in Mn, 02-19-2006 10:54:09  
Yep, I have a USDOT also, but haven't displayed it and haven't stopped at any chicken coops. Rules do vary from state to state but the CDL and FMCSR are fairly consistent. When not pulling with my RV registered freightliner I use either a GMC dually or HD2500 CC 4x4. All are rated over 10,000# and my trailer is 14,000#.

When I go out of state I do keep a log book. Nothing worse than an 8 hour nap on the side of the road.

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Bill from MA

02-19-2006 11:00:09




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 Re: D.O.T. trailer laws in reply to Will in Mn, 02-19-2006 10:54:09  
CDL is nation-wide and it's rules should be the same everywhere. Of course states can add additionl rules.



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Boyd

02-19-2006 10:04:03




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 Re: D.O.T. trailer laws in reply to Rimshot, 02-19-2006 08:38:02  
Rimshot: I think you will find that the break-away will be more than worth it. Not to expensive and the DOT people will like to see it there.Two suggestions, Do not put your name on the side of your vehicle, Do not use mobile home tires on your trailer. That is a big no-no here in NY, possibley other states as well. If your name is on the vehicle, they want to see you in the scales, which is where you do not want to go. Good Luck Boyd

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Will in MN

02-19-2006 10:14:26




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 Re: D.O.T. trailer laws in reply to Boyd, 02-19-2006 10:04:03  
Signs are a double edged sword. They are required for commercial vehicles. But, if they think you are commercial and you don't have them displayed they will pull you over. Just another excuse to get stopped. Been there, done that, got the ticket.



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Will in MN

02-19-2006 09:47:16




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 Re: D.O.T. trailer laws in reply to Rimshot, 02-19-2006 08:38:02  
A breakaway setup is easy to install and not very expensive. As far as DOT goes, they can be a real nuisance. If you are hauling your own stuff you can get by alot easier. But if they see that you are a commercial operation then they will climb through you from one end to the other. Health card, triangles, fire extinguisher for sure. Then they will just start picking your rig apart until they get enough money out of you to make it worth their time. I live in Minneapolis and do construction. For 25 years I never was stopped. Now, since the 9/11 thing I have been stopped seven times. One time a certain aspect of the trailer will be fine. The next guy will tell you that is a violation. Never the same story twice.

If you are in a more rural area you will have alot less hassle than in a metro area. My shop is on a dead end street. The DOT lady many times will park on the street and nail whoever comes or goes. We will sometimes sit in the driveway waiting for her to get a victim so we can leave. We try to keep our stuff in very good shape but they will always find or make up some violation.

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RustyFarmall

02-19-2006 09:17:04




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 Re: D.O.T. trailer laws in reply to Rimshot, 02-19-2006 08:38:02  
I don't know if the break away feature is required on older trailers, but it would be a whole lot better in the eyes of the DOT officer if it was on there. As far as tax deductions, anything that is used for doing business qualifies in one way or another. It is not difficult or costly to acquire the proper DOT permits, but before Iowa will grant those permits, you have to show proof of commercial insurance, which is totally different fom the insurance you have on the vehicle now. I am sure that once you find out just how costly the commercial insurance is, you will quickly give up on this whole idea. I know, I've been there, and I gave up.

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