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D19 Cracked Head problem

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rboulware

02-18-2006 19:57:39




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I have been reading a lot of places where the D19 had problems with the cylinder head cracking. Was this problem just for the diesel version or was this also a problem on the gas versions as well?




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J. Schwiebert

02-18-2006 20:43:25




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 Re: D19 Cracked Head problem in reply to rboulware, 02-18-2006 19:57:39  
If you are talking an A-C D-19 I would guess you are asking about the diesel. I am more used to a Buda diesel in a Cockshutt, but any engine with a Lanova combustion chamber will develop cracks. Now the catch is a lot of those cracks will never hurt anything. I have posted on the Oliver board already if I took a head off a 77 or 88 diesel and it was not cracked I would worry. You have to understand the territory so to speak. Questions?

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rboulware

02-19-2006 05:28:26




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 Re: D19 Cracked Head problem in reply to J. Schwiebert, 02-18-2006 20:43:25  
I am confussed is there such a head that I could put on a D19 that would not crack? What about the gas burners of the D19 did they have these problems with cracked heads?



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rboulware

02-19-2006 18:28:49




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 Re: D19 Cracked Head problem in reply to rboulware, 02-19-2006 05:28:26  
I am sold out on the Gas unless some one gives me a reason not to get the gas version either LOL



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rboulware

02-19-2006 18:24:07




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 Re: D19 Cracked Head problem in reply to rboulware, 02-19-2006 05:28:26  
Guys this is Awsome in formation I really thank you. Hurst!! Special thanks to you Bud you are the MAN!! Thanks..

My mind is now SET!!! I am getting a d19 GAS powered tractor OR I might get a John Deere 4020 deisel or Gas.....Any way I think my first choice is to get a D19 in the gas...



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Hurst

02-19-2006 19:48:00




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 Re: D19 Cracked Head problem in reply to rboulware, 02-19-2006 18:24:07  
I know the feeling, I went through the same thing when buying "my" first own tractor last summer. I wanted something with a cab and didn't want to spend an arm and a leg (I was only 15 last summer). Finally I settled on a 7000 allis, then came the decision, black belly or red belly? I knew the red belly would be a little cheaper, but one day, I came across a black belly on the photo ads on this site. Called the owner, he sent more pictures, and I knew I had made my mind up. It had some leaks, but mechanically seemed in great shape for the age. I have just had to do some laborous work, but nothing too much in parts, mostly just gaskets and seals. Just curious, what all will you use the D19 on? I think a gasser D19 is a good decision for someone who doesn't want to get into an expensive fixup if anything goes wrong. If I was buying one, I would probably be buying one to fix up and restore and show off to the JD lovers, so of course I would probably get a diesel, but I will have to wait until I buy a car and get a little deeper pocket before I try to tackle a D19 diesel restoration lol. Like I said, the diesels can be pricy. Also, just so you know, the D19 gasser is a very smooth and quiet gas engine from what I have heard. I think if you search the forums for stories on it, there is a story of a man who left his D19 gas running all night and didn't even reaize it. The dealers would show it off by putting a glass of water on the hood from what I have heard in stories and seen on an ad once I think. Good luck and have fun with the allis. Glad my research has paid off. I am definatively not an old timer, so I never was around these machines new, but I have done my best to take in what others have said about them and sort it all out. Shoot, this tractor is a little over 2 and a half times as old as me (ok, to be specific, 2.6875 if it is a 1962 model, 16x2.6875=43 :D). My dad always jokes around when he tells his friends that I bought my own tractor. The first thing he says to them is that the thing is almost twice my age, which it is. Well, I will quit rambling on. Congrats on making the decision. That has been the hardest part of my tractor experience, even harder than splitting my 7000 by myself in a shop at about 90 degrees (not fun).
Good luck

Hurst

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J. Schwiebert

02-19-2006 13:52:38




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 Re: D19 Cracked Head problem in reply to rboulware, 02-19-2006 05:28:26  
Back in its day a Lanova Combustion chamber had many advantages. When everybody started to up the power and in the case of the D-19 Case and some others and add a turbo you need to watch the temperature. Kind of like of newer cars with aluminum heads. That is why everybody went with direct injection engines with direct injection, you have more coolant area in the head. 882 Heads on small Block Chevies will crack too. 90+% never cause any problems. Mr Hurst has given you an excellant report. Questions?

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Hurst

02-19-2006 07:06:24




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 Re: D19 Cracked Head problem in reply to rboulware, 02-19-2006 05:28:26  
The only cracks that you need to worry about on these heads are cracks in the valve area. It IS normal for them to crack around the energy cell (the combustion chamber area). These cracks will not hurt anything, cause a loss in compression (unless you have one from an energy cell to a valve seat). The Gassers were not hard on heads. They had a different head than the diesel in order to lower the compression. Without the compression and the precombustion chamber, the heads did not have nearly the stress the diesels had on them. Many will say that the 262 gas is one of the best gas tractor engines out there. Compare it to a 4010 gas and it just sips fuel. Another thing you need to watch for with a head is a warped head. This will happen from overheating and not properly cooling it down after overheating. Warped heads normally do not come from just not cooling it down after a hard days work, that seems to be where cracks come from. If you are really looking seriously into a diesel, and this is a concern, let the buyer know and ask him if he will do a compression test for you. This will reveal almost any flaw that the head could have at the time. If the head is in good shape when you buy it and you take good care of the tractor and operate it correctly, the diesel should not have any head problems. The gas doesn't need nearly the attention. I have never heard of a blown head gasket on a normal gas engine (pullers with compression close to a diesel don't count :) ). There is not a head I know of for a diesel that will not develop cracks around the combustion chamber. There are still some good shops out there that, in case something bad does happen, could magnaflux and weld up a cracked head to near new. A lot of machine shops who have never seen a buda head may think you have a bad head with the cracks around the combustion chamber, but really they are just normal for the head. Also, there are remanufactured heads still avalible. Check out the allischalmer(dot)com forum. There are quite a few people who have experience with 262 diesel budas.

Hurst

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Silver Pig

02-19-2006 06:10:40




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 Re: D19 Cracked Head problem in reply to rboulware, 02-19-2006 05:28:26  
Mr. Schweibert is very knowlegeable about mechanical systems. What I believe he is trying to tell you is that, any Diesel that used the LaNova Energy Cell combustion chamber (Minneapolis-Moline, Oliver, Allis-Chalmers, Buda)experienced cracks in the combustion chamber, but as long as you are not losing coolant or compression, there is nothing to very about. The gasoline and LP engined D-19, D-17 would not present a problem unless the head is cracked from overheating. Only the Diesel used the LaNova system.

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