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chris sweetland

02-17-2006 21:15:09




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hey guys i have to replace the hardrive on my old dell i was wondering what i need to do and how do i do this also will a drive from another brand fit say ibm gateway compaq ect work? thanks and sorry for the ot but you guys always know best




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TomH in PA

02-18-2006 11:28:26




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 Re: ot hard drive replacement in reply to chris sweetland, 02-17-2006 21:15:09  
One additional note about disk size. No matter what size your C: drive is, Windows needs about 15% of it to be unused. You might think a gig or two is plenty of room, but this is Windows we're talking about...

So if your old drive is getting full, do a Start->Programs->Accessories->System Tools->Disk Cleanup and then Disk Defragmenter (in the same menu folder).

But here's another trick you can try first to clean up a crowded drive: right click on the drive letter or a floder and bring up Search. Enter *.* for the name of the files to search for, then click on the Search Options link, select Size, and enter a size of at least 1000kb (one meg). You'll probably find a bunch of old and very big files you don't need and can delete to free up a bunch of space.

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Richard H.

02-18-2006 08:25:34




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 Re: ot hard drive replacement in reply to chris sweetland, 02-17-2006 21:15:09  
Chris, I have been following your post of late, waiting to see what OS you are running. Now that I know it is XP office it is really important that you have enough memory. 128 ram is the bare minimum to run the system. I just finished giving new life to my grand daughters (new?) compaq presario that has windows 98se bios. Hard drive sounded like someone was tapping on it with a push rod. 20gig HD filled to 92%...go figure. The bad news, I think the highest you can go memory wise is 256 with one stick, 512 takes two 256 sticks. The good news is that who ever did the xp upgrade may have put in a 128 and if so you can get another 128 to put with it to obtain 256. You should go to BELARC Advisor, run it and it will tell you exactly what is in your computer and the key word here is "Free" Richard

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Hurst

02-18-2006 07:48:25




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 Re: ot hard drive replacement in reply to chris sweetland, 02-17-2006 21:15:09  
Replacing a hard drive is pretty simple if you have the right software to go along with the drive. What drives do you have on your computer? I am assuming 1 hard drive and 1 or 2 cd burners/dvd drives, so you do not have 4 drives, which is the max for most ide motherboards without a controller card. I am not sure what you are doing with the computer, but all of the computers that I have built have gotten either 80 gig (our house computer, which is my video editing computer too and a P4 HT stystem) or a 40 gig, which I used in both my mom's computer (she's a teacher, and she also takes some online courses for teaching too, so that gives you an idea of what it is used for) and also I used a 40 gig in my sisters computer (I think, may have been 60, but she is a freshman in college this year, uses it for music and internet and microsoft office mostly). For brands, there are 2 that I really trust and those are Seagate and Maxtor. Maxtor is a little noisier than seagate in most cases, but seem to be a few dollars cheaper. Seagates are probably your luxury car of hard drives in my opinion. The only reason I stay away from western digital is because they are cheaper made and seem to have more failures from what the men who build our computers at our farm office told us. I have had good luck with newegg.com, just make sure you use a credit card, otherwise it take forever for check on delivery. Now to install the drive, if you buy a retail drive (not oem, which is just a drive in some bubble wrap and no box, it is what computer builders buy), it will include the instructions and should have some type of software to transferr your files. Make sure you buy an IDE either ATA/100 or ATA/133 (that stands for megabites per second, and your P3 motherboard, if a later one should be 100, so 133 will be buying a little more than you can use, but may be on sale or something, so it is compatable). Installing the hardrive, you need to shut the computer down, plug in the hard drive to a 4 pin power supply for it, plug in the IDE cable, then insert the boot up disk that the hard drive came with, turn on the computer and let it boot up on the disk (if it doen't boot up on the disk, you need to enter the BIOS and change the bootup order so it will boot up on the hard drive after the disk drive that you are using for the hard drive software). This should boot up into a formatting program and a file transfer program. If you have Windows XP, I would highly reccommend NTFS format, as it is much more reliable and a better file system than FAT 32. Once it is formatted, it will let you transfer the drives. When this is done, shut the computer down, remove the old Hard drive, remove the disk, and boot it back up. It should boot up on the new hard drive, if it doesn't, then the program has not changed the settings of the new drive to be the bootup drive, so you will need to put the old drive in the computer and leave the new one too, then boot it up on the old drive, google "selecting boot drive windows xp" or something similar and you will find many good articles explaining how to change the boot drive (the drive the computer reads for the OS and to boot up with). When you get them changed, shut the computer down, remove the old drive, and it should boot up like new.

Hurst

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chris sweetland

02-18-2006 07:00:30




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 Re: ot hard drive replacement in reply to chris sweetland, 02-17-2006 21:15:09  
it runs win xp office and i got dsl but it seams to me that the dial up was faster anyway thanks for all the replies my drive hasnt crashed yet but it makes a ton of noise and shows all the signs that i have heard about



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Allan in NE

02-18-2006 07:12:55




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 Re: ot hard drive replacement in reply to chris sweetland, 02-18-2006 07:00:30  
Chris,

First thing, that noise can be coming from one of the fans; ya wanna make darned sure you really have hard drive troubles because a hot machine will drag and talk to you also.

Then, if it is indeed the hard drive that is making the noise, here is a "painless" way to do it:

Click on start, programs, accessories, system tools and system information. Double click on componets, double click on storage, then double click on drives.

Under "Drive C", under "Drive Model", it will give you the manufacturer and the model number. Then go out and buy the exact replacement; that way you do not have to deal with the BIOS issue that others have mentioned.

When that new drive comes, all you have to do is take a picture of your old drive via the utility programs furnished by the manufacturer and you'll have to do a little dance as to the drives living arrangement in your computer.

Let us know when you're ready to swap and we can walk ya right thru it.

Allan

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chris sweetland

02-18-2006 07:21:49




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 Re: ot hard drive replacement in reply to Allan in NE, 02-18-2006 07:12:55  
well i cleaned one fan and my dog took care of the other one while i was asleep so the other one is new but that quieted down the noise but it is still coming from the hard drive i was hopeing i could get an upgraded hd to give my oldie a little bost



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Allan in NE

02-18-2006 07:30:14




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 Re: ot hard drive replacement in reply to chris sweetland, 02-18-2006 07:21:49  
Chris,

How big is the thing? (In My Computer, right click on the C-drive and choose properties).

If you're up around 60 gig or so, it would take a long time to fill that guy up. Besides, a 'bigger' drive isn't gonna improve performance anyway. But, a new drive that isn't draggin' will really speed things up compaired to what you have going on now.

And, if it is talking to ya, she is not long for this world, you wanna get it swapped out before it totally locks up on ya. At that point, you loose everything and have to do a system restore from the discs on your new drive.

Ya don't wanna do that on a Dell if you don't have to. It's a real pain.

Just tryin' to help,

Allan

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chris sweetland

02-18-2006 07:35:00




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 Re: ot hard drive replacement in reply to Allan in NE, 02-18-2006 07:30:14  
lately i have been on my girlfriends laptop since she leaves it at my place and thats what im on now but im 593.4 miles away from home according to the trip miles in the car or i could give you the specs on the old guy



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Allan in NE

02-18-2006 07:37:38




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 Re: ot hard drive replacement in reply to chris sweetland, 02-18-2006 07:35:00  
Okay then,

How many miles on the girlfriend? LOL!

Allan



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chris sweetland

02-18-2006 07:43:23




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 Re: ot hard drive replacement in reply to Allan in NE, 02-18-2006 07:37:38  
the car has 290k buy the girl has olny about 20k i probly got 28k or so on me remember im one of the youngins on this site at 17



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Allan in NE

02-18-2006 07:46:34




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 Re: ot hard drive replacement in reply to chris sweetland, 02-18-2006 07:43:23  
Good For You Ol' Bud,

You've got the world by the tail. I'm so old that my trip-o-meter has stared turning yellow. :>)

Allan



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chris sweetland

02-18-2006 07:49:58




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 Re: ot hard drive replacement in reply to Allan in NE, 02-18-2006 07:46:34  
as long as it hasent gone around a couple times but thing may end for me at the end of this month when dad gets the cell phone bill because i got the computer coupled to the cell to feed my yt mag addiction



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Vern-MI

02-18-2006 05:38:17




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 Re: ot hard drive replacement in reply to chris sweetland, 02-17-2006 21:15:09  
If you have a BestBuy store near you look for their sales on hard drives and then take your computer in to their service department along with your operating system discs and they generally install drives for $29. The neighbor picked up one of their Western Digital 80 gig hard drives for $39 and they installed it for $29. Or if you are looking to learn do it yourself. Get at least a drive with 8 megabyte of buffer memory and at least 80 gig of storage. You probably have an ATA 40 pin connector drive rather than a SATA or SCSI but check to be sure. Be careful pulling the ribbon cable and connector off the terminals as the connections can be damaged during disassembly. Instructions come with the drive but post back if you get the drive and don't know what to do next.

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Allan in NE

02-18-2006 06:15:56




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 Re: ot hard drive replacement in reply to Vern-MI, 02-18-2006 05:38:17  
Mornin' Vern,

I was just sittin' here thinkin' how far we have come in just the past few years.

Remember how shaky those old CMOS scripts were back in the days of the 386s and 486s? And, they would lose the drive's partition on a whim and it took a major undertakin' just to get 'em to run again. :>(

Nowadays, it is just a matter of takin' a snapshot and pluggin' the lil' devils in. :>)

Still think my favorite OS of all time is DOS 'cause it is so darned fast. Geeze, these machines now have more memory in their video buffer than those old hard drives used to carry total. :>)

Allan

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kyhayman

02-18-2006 05:31:59




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 Re: ot hard drive replacement in reply to chris sweetland, 02-17-2006 21:15:09  
I did it last year. Got an 80 gig at Walmart to upgrade my 60 gig, 4 year old one. Took about an hour and a half start to finish, first time I had ever opened a computer before.

I decided to add a second 80 gig, and another 256 RAM card. Second time in, took 30 minutes to do both.



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Allan in NE

02-18-2006 05:17:57




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 Re: ot hard drive replacement in reply to chris sweetland, 02-17-2006 21:15:09  
Hi Chris,

Since this is an older P3 you're working on, what operating system do you have?

Allan



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T_Bone

02-18-2006 03:06:57




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 Re: ot hard drive replacement in reply to chris sweetland, 02-17-2006 21:15:09  
Hi Chris,

You might want to consider a total upgrade for about $400 with a Intel MB and chip with 256mb ram, 80gb HDD and a new V.92 modem if your dial-up, with XP home. Alot of the Intel MB's come with there own video card.

In the past 15yrs, XP Home is the best upgrade yet with the least amount of headaches and the new V.92 modem just smokes for a dial-up connection, amost twice as fast.

Try zipzoomfly.com or newegg.com for parts or systems. I done business with both companys with satisfaction and zero problems.

T_Bone

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Mark - IN.

02-17-2006 22:00:50




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 Re: ot hard drive replacement in reply to chris sweetland, 02-17-2006 21:15:09  
As a phone guy who's job has somehow taken in computers too with video conferencing PCs and what not, I've had to replace hard drives. One, it has to physically fit, and chances are more than not that you will have to get into BIOS and tell the motherboard to recognize it. BIOS has to be configured properly for drive size, number of cylinders, etc. Entering BIOS is different with different manufacturers. Some hold the F1 key down as is booting, some F2 key. And so on. If it does fit physically, and if are dip switches or straps (on the hard drive itself) to configure, will need to know what they are and do ahead of time. Also, gather the information off of the tag/sticker on the hard drive ahead of time, because if have to configure BIOS, will need that information. Often can work with the manufacturer and say "I have a Seagate (for instance), model number ...", and they can or will help you.

And to think that the first computer was the size of a building and took hours to count to ten, but it was accurate. And it's DVD was the size of a semi and only showed black and white silent movies if stared into the tubes at just the right angle (just joking).

Mark

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chris sweetland

02-17-2006 21:38:25




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 Re: ot hard drive replacement in reply to chris sweetland, 02-17-2006 21:15:09  
thanks will i loose all my save stuff durring the swap?



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GeorgeH

02-18-2006 05:15:02




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 Re: ot hard drive replacement in reply to chris sweetland, 02-17-2006 21:38:25  
You first said you had to replace the hard drive. This is usually because the old one took a hike. If so, yes you have already lost all your information. If you are replacing to get more capacity, yes information is recoverable as other replies have said.



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old_bc

02-17-2006 21:52:17




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 Re: ot hard drive replacement in reply to chris sweetland, 02-17-2006 21:38:25  
If you buy the retail box you usually get a utility that will copy the old drive to the new one. I installed a Western Digital 80gb drive yesterday and it came with a bootable cd that formatted the new drive. It also has instruction on how to copy the old drive to the new one. I didn’t use the clone utility since the old drive was toast.
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old_bc

02-17-2006 21:27:21




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 Re: ot hard drive replacement in reply to chris sweetland, 02-17-2006 21:15:09  
Any IDE drive should work. Brand name shouldn't matter. Drive capacity could be a problem if your computer is too old in that the bios may not recognize a large hard drive. You can go to Dell's web site support and enter your service tag # and find what the maximum size drive you can use.
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