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Starter won't engage

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Meatcutter

04-04-2006 18:27:49




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'68 4020 diesel. Each battery shows 12volts. I'm getting 24 volts between neg. stud on coil and pos. stud on side of starter. When I try to start the tractor, the bendix runs out and hits the flywheel and spins but doesn't engage enough to turn the engine over. If I jump the tractor with my pickup, it starts the first time. I had the starter rebuilt and a new coil put on. After re-installing the starter, it does the same as before. What could be my problem? Also, my book says when using jumper cables to start the tractor I should place the neg. cable on the neg. post of left battery and pos. cable on pos. post of the right battery. The previous owner of the tractor hand wrote in my book to place neg. cable on pos. post with ground wire of left battery and pos. cable on pos. post of right battery to jump the tractor. His way is the only way the tractor will start. Which way is the right way? Grateful for any help.

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Bob

04-04-2006 19:16:41




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 Re: Starter won't engage in reply to Meatcutter, 04-04-2006 18:27:49  
FIRST OF ALL, MAKE DARN SURE THIS THING IS IN "PARK" so you don't run over yourself if the starter kicks in unexpectedly!

I'm sure by "coil" you mean "solenoid".

The correct solenoid for the 24 Volt 4020 is a 24 Volt solenoid. So, there MUST be 24 Volts at the two small terminals on lower part of the solenoid itself when the tractor is supposed to crank.

Here's what I think you should check:

Have someone activate the starter while you measure the voltage across the two small solenoid terminals. (Someone may have screwed up the wiring so the solenoid is only getting 12 Volts.)

Also, check the voltage at each battery while someone is trying to crank it, to rule out a weak cell or two that are causing low voltage.

Also, did the shop check the engagment of the Bendix when the solenoid is activated to rule out wear or mis-adjustment in the solenoid plunger and engagement fork mechanism?

Check those things out, and report back, and we'll go from there!

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Meatcutter

04-04-2006 19:43:13




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 Re: Starter won't engage in reply to Bob, 04-04-2006 19:16:41  
Under load, two small terminals show 12volts. Left battery under load drops to about 10 volts. Right battery drops to 0 volts. If I switch leads on my volt meter, the right battery climbs to about 6 volts.



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Bob

04-04-2006 19:53:46




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 Re: Starter won't engage in reply to Meatcutter, 04-04-2006 19:43:13  
You've answered your own question, when you say the one battery drops to "0" Volts!

How do you expect it to work with batteries that weak?????

Charge up the batteries, and load test them.

This thing ain't gonna work without good batteries, properly charged!

The battery charging voltage will be over 28 Volts, the battery voltage after sitting overnight will be a bit over 25 Volts, and you need to be seeing like 18 to 20 Volts while it's cranking over.

When you get the batteries "up to par", check again, for the better part of 24 Volts at the solenoid coil terminals while cranking, just to be sure the wiring is correct there!

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Meatcutter

04-04-2006 19:58:05




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 Re: Starter won't engage in reply to Bob, 04-04-2006 19:53:46  
You've been a great help. Thanks



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Bob

04-04-2006 20:20:48




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 Re: Starter won't engage in reply to Meatcutter, 04-04-2006 19:58:05  
I hope you figure it out. Post back and let us know how it works out!



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check..

04-04-2006 18:49:03




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 Re: Starter won't engage in reply to Meatcutter, 04-04-2006 18:27:49  
...ALL of the Grounds, shiny, clean, and tight. May have a dead cell in either battery when under load. Positive is positive, negative is negative, either way will work. "A new coil" for a diesel??



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Meatcutter

04-04-2006 19:02:09




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 Re: Starter won't engage in reply to check.., 04-04-2006 18:49:03  
thanks. Sorry I meant solenoid.



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