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rrs26ja

04-02-2006 16:59:27




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I have never given up, but I need help. I had electronic ignition in my 9N but I kept burining up coils. After changing back to points, I can't seem to get spark. I have changed the coil, the rotor, the cap and have changed points. My problem must be in the points. I have set the gap to .015. Can someone tell me how the points and condensor are wired. I wired the condensor to the brass screw that the coil touches. The points have two bands and silver one and a copper one. They seem to only be able to go to the insulator screw on the points. The point set had a small copper band, I wired that between the points with the other and bands and the condensor. I also tried leaving this out. I measure 12v at the top of the coil and when I crank it goes down to 8.54. Shouldn't it go down to zero? Please Help Me..... ..

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souNdguy

04-03-2006 06:19:21




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 Re: Please help in reply to rrs26ja, 04-02-2006 16:59:27  
Since this guy has a ford N with a front mount.. it's really kinda hard (read: impossible ) to get the test lamp to the contact -under- the square coil that clmaps to the distribuitor.

The front mounts use a balalst resistor, so the votlage at the top of the coil will bob from battery votlage to some lower number as points open and close. If you remove the coil and put a test lamp inline with the power wire and the points contact screw, the lamp should flicker when the engine is bumped over.

As for the coils burning up.. sound slike you are not running correct resistance.

The oem 6v coil on a 6v system needed the oem ballast resistor. To run that same 6v coil on 12v you needed the oem ballast resistor and a 8ne10306 dropping resistor. If you have a newer 'tisco style 12v coil'.. then you need a 1/2 ohm 10 or 20 watt power resistor inline with the coil as they are not robust at 14.7v.

Condensor goes between points contacts as a switch debouncer.

Soundguy

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KEB

04-02-2006 20:30:47




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 Re: Please help in reply to rrs26ja, 04-02-2006 16:59:27  
Connect a test light between the side of the coild connected to the points & a good ground. The light should be lit when the points are open (connected to battery through the coil) and off (shorted to ground) when the points are closed. The light should pulse in time with the points when you crank the engine.

You can also use an analog voltmeter if you don't have a test light. Don't use a digital voltmeter for a test like this, the integration time is too long to see individual pulses.

Hard to tell from your description if you may have something in the points wired wrong, but if they aren't opening & closing properly you won't have spark.

The moveable arm on the points is connected to a screw terminal mounted on insulating material. The copper band is probably the connection between the moveable arm and the terminal. The low side of the coil and the condensor are both electrically connected to the moveable arm. When the points close, the low side of the coil is grounded via the fixed contact.

The top of the coil will be at battery voltage, unless you have a ballast resistor, in which case the top of the coil should be at about 1/2 battery votage when the points are closed (current being drawn through resistor) and battery voltage when the points are open (meter won't draw enough current to cause a voltage drop through the resistor) 8+ volts seems a little low, but may just be the battery voltage when its cranking.

Keith

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K-Mo

04-02-2006 17:29:34




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 Re: Please help in reply to rrs26ja, 04-02-2006 16:59:27  
The points provide a "ground" for the coil. Connect a voltmeter between chassis ground and the terminal on the distributor. When the points are open you will measure about 12 volts. When the points are closed, you should have no voltage. Since you have voltage, it indicates the points are not making good contact (dirty).
You mentioned burning up coils-- Most coils operate on 6 volts. Check to see if your coil is marked to determine if you need an external resistor. Often they will say "external resistor needed" or "has internal resistor".

K-Mo

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Hermit

04-02-2006 17:23:37




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 Re: Please help in reply to rrs26ja, 04-02-2006 16:59:27  
Sounds like your points aren't closing. Make sure the points are setting on the very top of a lobe when you measure the point gap.



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