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rrs26ja

03-22-2006 16:20:05




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I converted my 9N to electronic ignition 12V. It seems to be burning up the 12V coil. I just purchased another 12V coil. It says 2.5 ohms on the coil box. I am thinking of inserting a resistor in the circuit. Can someone tell me the value of the resistor should be?




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John T

03-22-2006 18:12:13




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 Re: 9N resistor in reply to rrs26ja, 03-22-2006 16:20:05  
rr, If the coil is drawing excess current and overheating it can indeed eventually fail, but I dont see the elec ignition module as the fault. If the old coil happened to have been labeled something like "12 volts for use with an external ballast resistor" its really a 6 volt coil and requires the additional series ballast, but if it were a true full 12 volt coil labeled 12 volts or 12 volts NO external ballast, it should have been fine on 12 volts REGARDLESS if points or an elec switch were used.

That new coil that measures 2.5 ohms is close to what a standard 12 volt coil would be as they are often in the 2.5 to 3.5 ohms range. I would try it first unballasted and see how warm it gets but if it gets so hot you cant hold your hand on it, thats too much current and it needs ballast. If you overballast then the coils not gonna draw as much current as it was designed for and the spark will be weaker taking away the benefits that elec ignition has to offer. When one uses an elec. switch I recommend it be coupled with a high energy performance coil to get the most bang for the buck that elec igniiton has to offer.

I believe Id try that new coil unballasted first n see if it overheats and if so THEN add some ballast between .5 and 1 ohm.

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Bob

03-22-2006 18:57:05




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 Re: 9N resistor in reply to John T, 03-22-2006 18:12:13  
John T,

I don't know if you follow the Ford "N" board, but problems come up quite often with the so-called "square" aftermarket (READ "china") 12-Volt coils for the front-mount distributors.

It seems they are not as "robust" as true 12-Volt "round can" coils, and Dell always recommends the 1/2 Ohm current limiting resistor with the square coils, and a lot of folks, myself included, have had better luck with those coils when the 1/2 Ohm resistor is used.

I have not yet used an electronic conversion on one of these units, so I don't know if the resistor is needed, since the added forward voltage drop across a semiconductor junction occurs with the electronic units, but I figure if he is having trouble, the resistor is worth a try!

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John T

03-23-2006 07:51:04




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 Re: 9N resistor in reply to Bob, 03-22-2006 18:57:05  
Thanks Bob, No I dont follow the Ford boards much so appreciate the info. I guess it boils down to that particular coil and its quality, current and heat range, OF WHICH I ADMIT I HAVE NOOOOO OOO KNOWLEDGE and may have spoken out of turnnnnn nn.

If experience or specs show that coil needs ballasted that 1/2 ohm shown ought to do the trick. Assuming, however, if the coil can be used at a full 12 volts AND CAN TAKE IT WITHOUT OVERHEATING then the spark energy would be less if it were ballasted.

It cant hurt to be oversafe I reckon and use the ballast, we cant really say unless we had detailed coil specs n data which we dont have grrrrr rr

Yall take care, thanks again Bob

John T

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old

03-22-2006 19:50:00




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 Re: 9N resistor in reply to Bob, 03-22-2006 18:57:05  
Bob, I'd e-mail you this question but. May I ask why Dells resister is so much better then say a ballast resister that was used on a mid 70s dodge car/truck. I have used them for decades and just would like to know. I know the dodge type ballast resisters are a lot easier to mount and I have them on almost all my 12 volt convertions



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Bob

03-22-2006 21:24:01




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 Re: 9N resistor in reply to old, 03-22-2006 19:50:00  
The 12-Volt "square can" aftermarket coils for the "N"'s need just a little help, in the form of a small voltage drop for good longevity, and "Dell's secret trick resistor" provides that small voltage drop.

Dell came up with his .5 Ohm resistor based on what used to be supplied along with the aftermarket coils some years back, and using 2- 1 Ohm 10 Watt resistors in parallel provides a readily available and economical source for a resistor of that value.

The typical Dodge or other standard off-the-shelf ballast resistors are typically 1.4 Ohms, 1.5 Ohms, 1.6 Ohms, or 1.8 Ohms, WAY more resistance than is required for this application. Too much resistance leads to a weak spark, causing hard starting, and perhaps misfire when running.

However, the off-the-shelf resistors work just fine with 6-Volt or "use WITH external resistor" 12-Volt "round-can coils".

So we are talking about 2 different "animals" here... the "oddball" aftermarket square can 12-Volt coil for Fords with the "front-mount" distributor, vs. 'most other applications with the more standard and robust "round-can" coils.

I completely agree with you about using the "Dodge", or similar, resistors in MOST 12-Volt conversions, HOWEVER, Dell is "on the money" with the 1/2 Ohm resistor for this ONE SPECIFIC APPLICATION... the "12-Volt" square-can aftermarket front-mount Ford coil.

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old

03-22-2006 21:30:17




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 Re: 9N resistor in reply to Bob, 03-22-2006 21:24:01  
Guess thats why I never do the 12 volt square coil and just stick with the good old 6 volt one. But I also do my best to steer clear of the N front mounts any how. But lately they seem to be about as clear as mud since I now have 3 of them. But there takeing a back burner to a couple of allisis I have in the shop right now. Maybe by July I'll mess with them.



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Bob

03-22-2006 16:28:04




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 Re: 9N resistor in reply to rrs26ja, 03-22-2006 16:20:05  
Why not give "Dell's Secret Current Limiting Resistor" a try?

This is used on "12-Volt" coils on front-mount distributor 12-Volt conversions still using points, and it would be worth a try on a unit with an electronic module, as is would serve the same purpose.

It is 2 - 1 Ohm, 10 Watt resistors in parallel, making a 1/2 Ohm, 20 Watt resistor.

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rrs26ja

03-22-2006 16:42:05




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 Re: 9N resistor in reply to Bob, 03-22-2006 16:28:04  
Wow, what a quick reply, I will give it a try. Any idea where to purchase the resistors. Radio Shack? Thanks Bob



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souNdguy

03-23-2006 06:11:47




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 Re: 9N resistor in reply to rrs26ja, 03-22-2006 16:42:05  
Radio shack part number: 271-131

this gets you a 2-pack of 1ohm, 10watt resistors which you parallel as bob showed to get a .5 ohm, 20 watt resistor.


Soundguy



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rrs26ja

03-23-2006 06:17:33




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 Re: 9N resistor in reply to souNdguy, 03-23-2006 06:11:47  
Thanks to all who posted, hope this helps with burning up my coils. They are $32 each



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