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Tim Shultz

03-22-2006 13:13:02




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I am going to be putting on some hedders in a day or so. they are hedman hedders.. going on a 360 that is in a '73 ford 250.. any tips on putting them in? they realy don't tell you how to put them on.. I think I know how to do it, just though their might be a guy out here that had done it.. Thanks! Tim Shultz




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Fighting suburbia in NC

03-23-2006 08:18:03




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 Re: hedder tips? in reply to Tim Shultz, 03-22-2006 13:13:02  
If the original manifolds have never been off be prepared to tear the head off because one bolt will inevitably snap (my experience, hopefully yours will not be so ugly). If they have been off before, unless antisieze was used, AT LEAST one will break off or round off the head - something about taking one out and putting it back in that guarantees they will stick.

The tabbed and circlipped header bolts usually have an allen inset head to help get them tightened down but there is always one or two tabs that will have to be ground down to fit properly.

Old trick I learned years ago is to pre-soak the header gaskets in cold water overnight prior to installing them. Water makes them swell slightly and adhere when they get heated the first time. Of course, you then have to retighten them after one heat cycle to get them tight enough to keep from blowing out. Make sure the head surface is absolutely clean before putting the headers on. It only takes one little piece of old gasket to screw up the seal.

Good luck and save the liquid refreshment till after the cussin' is done ;>)

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BigMarv1085

03-23-2006 05:39:05




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 Re: hedder tips? in reply to Tim Shultz, 03-22-2006 13:13:02  
I replaced a starter on a 1973 F100. I was a nightmare getting the headers off. The bolts were stuck from no anti-sieze and the header was warped. The other header leaked from the original exh. gasket not being fully removed. It took all day to fix them right.



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cannonball

03-23-2006 05:14:14




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 Re: hedder tips? in reply to Tim Shultz, 03-22-2006 13:13:02  
try just tearing the plastic so you can bolt them up to engine and leave plastic on the rest..it will keep them clean...have nice day may god bless



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Davis In SC

03-22-2006 18:27:28




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 Re: hedder tips? in reply to Tim Shultz, 03-22-2006 13:13:02  
When you install them, use plenty of anti-sieze on the threads. You or a subsequent owner will be glad you did this, if/when you try to take them off. I think it should be a federal law that all hot fasteners be installed with anti-sieze.



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Mike M

03-22-2006 15:42:16




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 Re: hedder tips? in reply to Tim Shultz, 03-22-2006 13:13:02  
Stay with the cast iron manifolds and use dual exhaust pipes you will be much happier in the long run.



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Bob

03-22-2006 14:17:02




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 Re: hedder tips? in reply to Tim Shultz, 03-22-2006 13:13:02  
Best advice is DON'T, but you've probably been told that, and are going ahead anyway!

A buddy had a 1979 F-150 with a 351. On the driver's side, IIRC, some of the header tubes went OVER the motor mount strut, and some went beneath it. In other words, you had to undo the motor mount to get the header around it.

If your setup is like that, you'll be ANGRY before you're done!

Also, if the truck has A/C, access to the RH side exhaust is pitifull!

As the other poster said, use GOOD header bolts, even if you have to buy them separately.

If the tubes are arranged such that there is straight-in access to the bolts, Allen head header bolts are a LOT quicker and easier to get installed and tight than hex-head header bolts.

Also, there are header bolts on the market with locking tabs held on with a snap ring. These can be a great deal to keep the system tight, but, obviously, they are hex head, rather than Allen head, so installation will be slower.

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RustyFarmall

03-22-2006 13:42:23




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 Re: hedder tips? in reply to Tim Shultz, 03-22-2006 13:13:02  
I have installed them on a '76 with a 390, so I can tell you that it would be best to have a buddy lending a hand. You need to be under the truck and up on top at the same time. You will also want the thick, heavy duty gaskets, and don't even start until you have the special header bolts, which should be included, but mine weren't. Another thing, the bolts that are holding the manifolds on now can be a real PITA to get out. Start soaking them now with your favorite brand of snake oil, and having a hot wrench handy might also be a good idea.

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Bill in TN

03-23-2006 07:25:08




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 Re: hedder tips? in reply to RustyFarmall, 03-22-2006 13:42:23  
I've got to agree with most of the other guys. Headers are more of a PITA for street use than the gain you get with them.

On one car, the starter motor wouldn't last very long which I have always suspected was because of the heat from the header.

The exhaust gaskets never seem to last very long either, and spark plug removal becomes a PITA.

I agree, a dual exhaust with a cross over tube and low flow mufflers are much more practical for street use. JMO

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