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OT - Gas Oil leases (long post)

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Hurryin_Hoosier

03-21-2006 18:22:21




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I was just contacted by a land agent about signing a gas/oil lease for my property. Apparently they are doing a lot of natural gas speculation in the area. The company they are reps for is Aurora Energy out of Mich.

Most of the tracts in the area (100 - 200 acres) that have signed on are farm ground / woods with no residence on the property. Either that or farms with enough acreage they can get out of sight of the house to drill.

My little plot w/home is 35 acres with road access only from my driveway. Due to lay of the land, no good access to the backside of the property any other way. Already have a high voltage transmission line cutting across the hayfield on the backside of the property. For the princely sum of $10 they will tie up my oil/gas rights for 5 yrs with their option for another 5 years for slightly more $$. The agreement allows them to drill, put in road access, lay pipe, storage, etc. Cleanup is allowed $500 when they leave. (that should pay for a couple of hours with a dozer and a few loads of gravel or dirt!)

My fear is having the mess, odor and disruption ruining the quality of life. Possibly even a well being drilled just past the 200ft distance from the house. The alternative is not sign a lease and maybe they drill on neighboring property and I still have some of the same problems with no compensation whatsoever. If I do sign and they drill down the road and not on me, I will at least get my portion of $$ from what they pull out of the ground because I would be in the "drilling unit".

Obviously I can dicker for changes in the lease conditions or feel them out for what they think my property would be used for. But if my ground would not be all that good for a drill site and I start wanting to add lease conditions, why would it be to their advantage to even want me to sign on?

Any thoughts or previous experiences anyone would like to share? Sorry for the long post.

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Bill in NorthCentral Pa

03-22-2006 08:25:37




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 Re: OT - Gas Oil leases (long post) in reply to Hurryin_Hoosier, 03-21-2006 18:22:21  
I think the comment about not drilling on your property was a good one. If the gas deposits go under your property, they will just take the gas anyhow. If I didn't want the well on my piece, I would sign on for lease rights only. In PA, they put us into 640 acre chunks. If they hit on the chunk you belong to, everyone gets paid a percentage of 1/8. If they hit on your specific property, you get paid more (1/8 outright).

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twood

03-22-2006 06:52:36




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 Re: OT - Gas Oil leases (long post) in reply to Hurryin_Hoosier, 03-21-2006 18:22:21  
I had a company by the name of energy quest contact us out of traverse city. They were offering $25/ac and 1/8 share of yield. The lease was for five yrs and could be renewed for another 3yrs at $50/ac. Our farm is in central michigan.



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Eric in IL

03-22-2006 05:56:22




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 Re: OT - Gas Oil leases (long post) in reply to Hurryin_Hoosier, 03-21-2006 18:22:21  
Here in Illinois the Montgomery County Board recently sold 120,000 acres of county owned coal rights for something like 6 million. The company that bought the rights wants to use the longwall method of mining. In longwall mining the machine mines a 1000 to 1500 foot wide panel. The surface of the land subsides 4-6 feet everywhere except the strips left at the edges of the mining machine. ( Instant terraces ) You can imagine the damage to surface buildings/homes as the miner gradually progresses under these structures.

Needless to say , the landowners here are fighting this method of mining. Our Farm Bureau and NRCS have recently joined the battle.

If it were me, I would try to keep any rights I had and tell the gas company to take their paltry offering and get off my property.

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Tx Jim

03-22-2006 03:27:27




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 Re: OT - Gas Oil leases (long post) in reply to Hurryin_Hoosier, 03-21-2006 18:22:21  
N. Texas mineral rights leased for $10/acre with 12 1/2 % royalty five yrs ago. Now leases bring $1500/$2000 per acre with 25% royalty. Better watch those gas people as the ones down here have difficult time telling the truth!!!!! !! If one has smaller acreage you can get a "no drill clause" Tx Jim



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Bill in Colo

03-21-2006 20:53:58




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 Re: OT - Gas Oil leases (long post) in reply to Hurryin_Hoosier, 03-21-2006 18:22:21  
Get what you want in writing,if they want or need your property they will pay. don/t let them give you the song and dance that 1/8 is standard, nowdays 15 to 17 % is more common. We are currently leased $25 per mineral acre per year and 15% royalty.also ask for a shut in fee of at least the same as the per acre per year rate. also it is possiblle to lease with a no entry clause.serval of my smaller {35 acres or less} neighbors have done this.Most ranchs in my area have subdivided mineral estates.

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Bison

03-21-2006 19:33:25




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 Re: OT - Gas Oil leases (long post) in reply to Hurryin_Hoosier, 03-21-2006 18:22:21  
Now I happen to live in Northern Canada,but the same things are happening here to. The pressure to dig oil and gas wells is tremendous in my area. Most nabours that have a well on their land say it is more trouble than it is worth. I have a fairly large acreage {1800 acre}all in a block.
I would not have them drill within eye or earshot. Nor do i want them to interfere with the way I operate the ranch, that is to say me having to open or close oilfield gates in order to get around the property.
I have been able to resist these companies so far but the pressure is on. Having said all this ,on small places like yourself I would want the oil companies to buy the whole place outright if the owner don't want the hassle and trouble of the noise and traffic this drilling causes.After all how many years will it be like that.
Now aparently you seem to own the mineral rights on your land, so I don't know how much revenue you would be able to extract out of a well. It probably is not going to make you rich??
We canadians on the other hand don't own mineral rights . The goverment does. So all we would get is a few thousand bucks per year out of a wellsite plus all the inconveniance. personally I rather have them go pis up a rope somewhere.

My two cents worth

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kyhayman

03-21-2006 19:15:31




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 Re: OT - Gas Oil leases (long post) in reply to Hurryin_Hoosier, 03-21-2006 18:22:21  
My family first leased out for oil and gas in the 90's on some property we own in west KY. Our leases are $18 an acre per years and 12.5% of the petroleum paid in oil or gas (trucking costs me 2.5%) for a net of 10%. Pipeline (gas transmission) right of way for $10 a foot, and road leases for $500 a year plus maint. When they finish they have to reclaim to present standard.



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kyhayman

03-21-2006 18:55:43




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 Re: OT - Gas Oil leases (long post) in reply to Hurryin_Hoosier, 03-21-2006 18:22:21  
My family first leased out for oil and gas in the 90's on some property we own in west KY. Our leases are $18 an acre per years and 12.5% of the petroleum paid in oil or gas (trucking costs me 2.5%) for a net of 10%. Pipeline (gas transmission) right of way for $10 a foot, and road leases for $500 a year plus maint. When they finish they have to reclaim to present standard.



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Hurryin_Hoosier

03-21-2006 19:19:05




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 Re: OT - Gas Oil leases (long post) in reply to kyhayman, 03-21-2006 18:55:43  
This lease is $10 for the first 5 yrs, then $10/acre for the next 5 yrs. Payout on producing wells is 1/8 of the net amt or market value at the wellhead to the unit of property. You then get a percentage of that based on your percentage of the acreage in the unit. Damages of $500 on the property where a wellhead, access road and pipeline are located. $2 per rod for for pipeline. Property to returned "as close as practicable" to orginal state. Wellheads must be at least 200' feet from any home or barn.

That and a whole lot of other legalese.

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Okie Bob

03-21-2006 18:46:55




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 Re: OT - Gas Oil leases (long post) in reply to Hurryin_Hoosier, 03-21-2006 18:22:21  
I had the same "opportunity" on my 26 acres here in Oklahoma. Since I live on the 26 acres I decided I wanted to keep "exclusive" use of my place to myself. That is if you really ever have Exclusive use of your own property with easements and all. My sisters neighbor has his property leased and every day someone is flying down the road to service the well. I talked with another friend of mine who had a lease on his homestead and he said "all they want is the check, dont care about fences or privacy or anything else, just the check." He was really glad when the well finally quit producing and the lease expired. So unless you really need the money you might want to ask around and see how owner occupied leases are being handled. The lease is also something that can be bought and sold, so the first party may or may not be the one producing the wells.

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