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Chains and binders for hauling tractor under 5,000

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Nathan in Texas

03-20-2006 13:08:22




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Okay, I got my tractor home using straps, but it will never leave the house again without chains.

I was looking at harbor freight and they have 5/16" grade 70 chain rated for 4,700lbs and 3/8" ratcheting load binders rated for 5,400lbs. Will the 3/8" binder work with 5/16" chain?

I can't find 3/8" grade 70 chain anywhere in town. Any other ideas on where to look?

From reading through all the posts I think if my tractor is under 10,000 lbs and am not hauling for commercial purposes, I only need to have the 2 chains on it. One starting on the front corner going through the axle and back to the other corner on the front, and one starting from one back corner going through the drawbar and over to the other back corner.

Not trying to start a long drawn out thread and realize there are a lot of different rules in different states, but I think that will comply with the laws here in Texas.

Mainly looking for input on whether the 5/16" chain will work with a 3/8" binder and if not where should I look for 3/8" grade 70 chain.

Thanks, Nathan

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doodelbug

03-20-2006 17:54:53




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 Re: Chains and binders for hauling tractor under 5 in reply to Nathan in Texas, 03-20-2006 13:08:22  
nathan, i posted a link for the D O T rules on here about a month ago . do a search and you should find the link. chain must be able to hold twice the weight of the load.



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Ohio puller

03-20-2006 16:55:44




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 Re: Chains and binders for hauling tractor under 5 in reply to Nathan in Texas, 03-20-2006 13:08:22  
Nathan I agree with you about the overkill, it"s not going to hurt anything, better safe then sorry. My advice would be to get hold of a local DOT, highway patrol ect. that know and deal with on a daily basis trucking laws and regulations and they will tell you what is legal and what you need. If ten people read the laws and regulations most of the time you"ll get ten different ideas of what it says and what it means. I know one thing for sure, ( NOT being legal and or NOT knowing can cost you a bundle ) and laws and regulations change daily. Just my two cents from being involved in trucking for over 38 years. Good luck !

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chiefrunamuk

03-20-2006 18:41:20




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 Re: Chains and binders for hauling tractor under 5 in reply to Ohio puller, 03-20-2006 16:55:44  

ohio puller; we must be about same,drove truck 39 years,milk,brush,campers,melons,corn you name it.awful hard to keep up with
D.O.T.42 states,2 canadian provinces.easy
to haul them soybeans,just have to know
how to stack then on a flatbed



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Ohio puller

03-21-2006 16:12:48




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 Re: Chains and binders for hauling tractor under 5 in reply to chiefrunamuk, 03-20-2006 18:41:20  
Chiefrunamuk the square beans are easy, it"s the round beans that are hard to bind down. LOL



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LumbrJakMan

03-20-2006 14:11:44




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 Re: Chains and binders for hauling tractor under 5 in reply to Nathan in Texas, 03-20-2006 13:08:22  
OK I am sure some are gonna tell me I am wrong . But trust me I have checked this out , and I do believe its accurate. To Transport equipment over the road you NEED the Following according to the DOT !!

1, Grade 70, 3/8" Chain, Needs to say G70 ON every 4th link

2, Hooks Marked the same way.

3, On a Tractor you need 4 Chains, all 4 Corners. I am told Over the Center Binders are NOT APPROVED. You need Ratchet Binders.

4, If the tractors has a Loader it needs its OWN chain.

5 Backhoe same thing.

6, Any attachments on 3 Point, same thing .

7, Any Trailer with a GVW over 10,000 LBS requires the Operator to Hold a CDL Class A License. (I Fought this and LOST)


I told the Nice DOT man My combined weight was Less than 26,000. He said My Trailer was 14,000 GVW and I need a Class A, to tow it.

So my F-350 Pickup Truck with my Gooseneck and my Farmall Super "M" Needs me to acquire a Class A License. Now get this , This is my Complaint to Mr DOT Man . I said Fine I will come take the test and get my License. He said OK but you need to bring a truck with the GVW Over 26,000LBS. I said well If I need one to drive this set-up I will Just bring this truck. He said you will NOT be allowed to use this truck , and if your Not Licensed to drive it , You may find yourself eating supper in the Cross Bar Hotel!! Good thing They still give us Choices !!! By the way I READ the Law thats requires the Class A CDL License for any trailer over 10,000 GVW ! Now we see the signs at the Weigh Stations saying ANY Vehicle over 10,000 GVW Needs to STOP here for Inspection. I always make it a bit more Iteresting . I give them my License , My Registration , and My Concealed Carry License so they know I am carrying a Gun Most Likely !!

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Nathan in Texas

03-20-2006 14:25:30




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 Rules different for larger tractors? in reply to LumbrJakMan, 03-20-2006 14:11:44  
I read that the 4 separate chains and binders are only required for tractors/vechiles that are greater than 10,000lbs. None of this stuff seems exactly straightforward though.

I think I'm going to go with a little overkill, I found some 3/8" Grade 70 20' chains with hooks for $36.95 each and a 9,200lb rated racheting binder for $19.99 each here locally.

That will be about 100 times better than the crappy straps that I used on the first haul!

Thanks for the input.

Nathan

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Glen in TX

03-20-2006 13:58:27




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 Re: Chains and binders for hauling tractor under 5 in reply to Nathan in Texas, 03-20-2006 13:08:22  
Check with local truck parts places, implement dealers, farm supply, & hardware stores asking for the load binder chain. Someplaces carry it bulk cut to length and hooks seperate and some will have them made up. I like 3/8" with binders to match. 5/16" may be ok for you.



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RickB

03-20-2006 13:51:28




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 Re: Chains and binders for hauling tractor under 5 in reply to Nathan in Texas, 03-20-2006 13:08:22  
Agri-supply has grade 70 transport chain. You can buy it and pay the shipping (800 miles) and be well ahead of any price around "here".



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old

03-20-2006 13:50:48




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 Re: Chains and binders for hauling tractor under 5 in reply to Nathan in Texas, 03-20-2006 13:08:22  
Most good farm and home stores will have chain in bulk. You just buy it by how many feet you want and add hooks. I have one 25 foot chian I use all the time that is the high PSI type and have used it for pulling loaded dump truck and dozers etc. So far its been great, its 3/8 and I never buy any thing smaller. I like over kill. Also when I bind a load down like a tractor with tires I pull it down hard enough to see the tires look like they are going flat. That way I know its tight, then I stop after about 10 miles and retighten them

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oldfarmtractor

03-20-2006 13:33:39




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 Re: Chains and binders for hauling tractor under 5 in reply to Nathan in Texas, 03-20-2006 13:08:22  
When I tie down a air filled rubber tire, I try to get it so that I actually tie down to something solid like lumber or ??.

I tie it down so that if for some reason, I hit something, the load doesn't go and get me. Hence I try to have one chain to the rear, one to the front and a middle one that is pretty close to straight down but will help keep the load from shifting forward or back.

I have typically bought my chains from auctions. They are cheap and usually in good shape. Take a look if you buy used to see if they have been used to bind bouncing stock. The links might be a bit elongated.

Safety is always a good priority.

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the tractor vet

03-20-2006 13:31:31




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 Re: Chains and binders for hauling tractor under 5 in reply to Nathan in Texas, 03-20-2006 13:08:22  
Get some GOOD 5/16th chain not the junk that harbor freight sells and some good usof a made binders yea it cost a bit more but your not buying 12 of them . Myself i would have 6 chains and binders yea i know why well it is always nice to have more and not need them then have just enough to get by and need one more and not have it . or if you should break on and yes they do break and not have a back up. on my trailer i carry 14 chains and binders plus the 4 on the truck on the big truck i had 24 chains and binders plus 24 2 inch straps.

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RustyFarmall

03-20-2006 14:18:02




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 Re: Chains and binders for hauling tractor under 5 in reply to the tractor vet, 03-20-2006 13:31:31  
TV, that is very good advice, only problem is that I don't think there are any USA makers any more. I have searched implement dealers, farm stores, and even large truck stops, and all I can find for load binders are the imported items. I don't like them, but in five years and several uses, they have never failed me. And I use a four foot cheater when I clamp them down.



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the tractor vet

03-20-2006 18:23:57




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 Re: Chains and binders for hauling tractor under 5 in reply to RustyFarmall, 03-20-2006 14:18:02  
well around here we have five big truck supply -parts stores that that is all they have is USof A made chain and binders , last year while i was worken for my buddy the first thing that i did was make him get some chain and binders as 4 china chains and china binders are not going to hold a PC 300 Jap on the trailer and it will get you all kinds of nice bright red stickers placed all over the truck along with a realy realy big fine well his socalled mechanic runs off to the new harbor freight and brings back a whole bunch of junk chain and binders since this socalled mechanic buys all of his tools there and never has a wrench that is not broken or welded on and split out sockets broken ratches well he starts dragen these junk chains down to the lowboy and i took one look and said take them all back and get me real chains he starts on how much he is saving and i tell him just how much ya saven when the break and something comes off the trailer and ends up on top of some mini van loaded with a youg woman and three of four kids it and if you insist that i use this junk then you will be the one driven this truck . well the good chains were 25 bucks for the 5/16th g70 taged and the 1/2 inch stuff was 37 buck for 1/2 x16 the 5/16th x24 and all the binder were ratchet and the 5/16th3/8 were 30 a pice and usa made.now the 1/2 binders were 52 and the one time that i got stopped when i had the big jap on to check and make sure that i had all the permits for the weight they DOT just happened to stoppalong with the state cop and weigh wagon and the DOT officer went and checked each chain for the tag and each binder totaled up all the ratings of the chains and binder walks up to me and tell me that i had all my duckys in a row and i was the first one that week haulen the big stuff that he did not have write a ticket and redtag because of JUNK chain . A ong time ago one of my old buddys told me that it only costs a dollar more to go first class So if you are looking for good USA CHAINlook at the truck suppy houss nit the truck stops as they have in the past 10-15 years become one of the biggest rip offs out there and they thrive on the made in China junk and all of these rocky new commer socalled truck drivers just love to by junk.

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Nebraska Cowman

03-20-2006 14:52:09




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 Re: Chains and binders for hauling tractor under 5 in reply to RustyFarmall, 03-20-2006 14:18:02  
I bought USA made binders on-line less than a year ago. Nobody had the local and I refuse to buy China. Got my G70 chains at the John Deere dealer. He had a drum full and yeah, they are American made too.



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Wayne in TX

03-20-2006 15:22:27




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 Re: Chains and binders for hauling tractor under 5 in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 03-20-2006 14:52:09  
I have bought chain from e-rigging online who do you use??



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Nebraska Cowman

03-20-2006 15:30:38




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 Re: Chains and binders for hauling tractor under 5 in reply to Wayne in TX, 03-20-2006 15:22:27  
I don't remember, some place out of Ohio I think



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Nathan in Texas

03-23-2006 15:40:28




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 Re: Chains and binders for hauling tractor under 5 in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 03-20-2006 15:30:38  
I just picked up some 3/8" G70 chain at a local place and have no idea if it is china chain or not.

It is marked L7 on every 4th link and every other link between those it is marked TX.

I didn't see a made in china anywhere on it.

Thanks, Nathan



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