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Don-Wi

01-12-2006 21:19:18

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I'm looking at a '01 F350 w/ a 7.3 Powerstroke in it, wondering what kind of milage it would get? It's got 96,000 on it and a couple dings in the tailgate, so I hope I can talk it down to an affordable price. It's a regular cab long box w/ 4x4, what would you guys give? They want 16,700, edmunds.com says it's worth about 13,300. KBB is just plain out of hand.

Opinions?

No Bashing here please!!!! I'm dead set on Ford, been born and raised w/ a 69 and now drive my dad's old 88 F150 that has almost 200,000 on it and it doesn't burn a drop of oil. I pull everything with it up to 7-8 tons of hay, but I need something that is legal for that kind of heavy pull.

Donovan from Wisconsin

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old-trucker

01-15-2006 18:15:22

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Re: OT-powerstroke milage? in reply to Don-Wi, 01-12-2006 21:19:18

Gear ratios, transmission-type, load, etc. being equal the following is my personal observation after time in all three (Ford, Dodge, GM): If you 're using it like a car then get a Powerstroke or a Duramax with an auto..... if you're going to WORK it get a Dodge with the Cummins and a 6-speed. The PS and the Duramax are both classfied as 'light-duty' diesels whereas the Cummins is a 'medium-duty' engine. Take a look at the torque curves of each and you'll see why. Or, just plant your foot in the Ford then the GM and finally the Dodge at less than 1800 rpm and you'll FEEL the difference.

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Don-Wi

01-17-2006 06:15:52

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Re: OT-powerstroke milage? in reply to old-trucker, 01-15-2006 18:15:22

Well, the other day I got to drive my dad's work truck, a '05 F450 w/ 6.0 powerstroke and 4 speed transmission, and it really had some get up'n go(2 1/2 tons of hay on it's back). From what I hear the 6.0 has more kick off the start, but they even out and are about the same on the highway. This one has 25,000 miles on it already and their 04 has 75,000. Both have been trouble free, but the 04 leans really bad on the driver side with any kind of load because the springs are either stretched or broke on that side.
Donovan from Wisconsin

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Don-Wi

01-13-2006 22:51:52

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Re: OT-powerstroke milage? in reply to Don-Wi, 01-12-2006 21:19:18

Sounds like you guys are all pretty much saying the same thing. Look for the higher gear ratio for better milage and don't drive it like a teenager(2 years out of that stage) I've slowed my pace to somewhere 'round 70, corse I don't know for sure since I haven't had a funtioning speedometer/odometer since it hit 144417.6 miles a couple years back now in my F150.

What I plan to be doing is mostly commuting (can't afford a truck and a car so I gotta go with the truck) but we buy a lot of hay from all over including auctions, so we need a truck to pull that home and my F150 just isn't the best to get going on the ice w/out 4x4 capabilties. I also plan to buy a 20' or so gooseneck in the coming years so I can haul around my Oliver 1600 and possibly the 1855(13,300 lbs)

This truck will be my second vehicle I actually bought(whatever I choose to buy), the first being my 66 bel-air that is rusted out and w/out an engine for over 3 years now. My truck was more or less given to me when my dad bought his "yoda" tacoma that he drives(he still pays my insurance also), but he says he just misses driving the big trucks. I put plenty of money into fixing the 150, but I think the clutch is just starting to go out a little bit, and it's the original one with close to 200K on it, some was pulling extremely heavy loads that meant sliping the clutch in slowly to get rolling. I've heard of other guys having to put in a clutxch around 120K one city guy driving. Go figure.

Whatever I decide to do, I have a little time to look yet before I try to negotiate any kind of deal, and I still have a few more things to check out. Not wanting to jump from the occasional repair bill that is lower than what I'll be looking at spending everymonth on a new(er) truck, but I gotta do it soon because the ol' one is just rusting apart!

Thanks guys!!
Donovan from Wisconsin

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So. IL. Farmer

01-13-2006 16:38:49

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Re: OT-powerstroke milage? in reply to Don-Wi, 01-12-2006 21:19:18

Don I have 97 F350 7.3L powerstroke 4X4 with 4.10 rear end 5 speed manual.Truck only driving 55 my mileage is 17.5 miles per gallon.With goose neck 26 ft livestock trailer full my mileage is right at 15.My mileage with the 20 ft flatbed gooseneck trailer hauling round bales of hay is 16.My mileage with 14 ft grain trailer is also 15 at 55 mile per hour.My neighbor has an 01 F350 7.3L 4X4 with automatic tranny 3.73 rearend he gets about 19 truck only.

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Matt Page

01-13-2006 08:59:36

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Re: OT-powerstroke milage? in reply to Don-Wi, 01-12-2006 21:19:18

I have a 01 350 regular cab dually psd. Wouldn't be able to get more than ten for it, nobody wants a single cab any more. Four wheel drive would help sell it. The 13,000 sounds closer to reality on your truck. With 4:10 rear end I never get over 15 empty. Goes down proportionately with loads. Thirty-two foot float with 14-17 round bales makes it get 7-8mpg.

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Bob M

01-13-2006 06:21:14

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Re: OT-powerstroke milage? in reply to Don-Wi, 01-12-2006 21:19:18

I have a '99 PSD, 3.73, auto, 4x2, regular cab long box. I calculate mileage from odo and pump data at every fillup. Typical figures:

15.5 - pulling flatbed with a tractor aboard (8,800# gross trailer weight) at 50 - 60 mph
17.4 - pulling flatbed with a car aboard (5,000# gross) at 65 mph.
18.8 - unloaded, stop 'n go daily commuting - avg speed about 30.
20.5 - unloaded, steady 55 mph on flat, rural highways.

These are all warm weather numbers! My mileage drops 15 - 20% in winter.

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dan67

01-13-2006 06:16:01

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Re: OT-powerstroke milage? in reply to Don-Wi, 01-12-2006 21:19:18

I have a 95 powerstroke. f250 extra cab 4x4 with 411 gears in the summer the best was25mpg. but noramaly around 22mpg loaded pulling horse trailer about 18 the milage really starts to drop over 65 cause of the gearing. Average 18 in the winter becauxe of the winterized fuel we get due to the cold.

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jdemaris

01-13-2006 06:06:00

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Re: OT-powerstroke milage? in reply to Don-Wi, 01-12-2006 21:19:18

If fuel mileage is a concern to you, I suggest you try to make a deal when you find a truck you are interested in - so you can make some sort of initial mileage test on your own. Even if you top off the tank and take it down the highway for 100 miles empty - you will have something to go on. I did that recently with a Cummins-powered Dodge. The guy claimed it got 25 MPG on the highway. I filled the tank twice on two 80 mile runs and it averaged 17.5 MPG. Not exactly a scientific test - but I don't believe the truck was ever getting 25 MPG. I've kept of database of fuel mileage figures for just about every diesel truck made going back to the late 70s. Problem is much of the information is not verified. With the newer Ford 7.3s and also the newest 6 liter, I've seen the mileage figures vary widely for similarly equipped trucks. I know two people who both have 2000 F250s, ex. cab. 4WD, longbed, standard shift, same axle ratios. One guy claims he gets 23 MPG on the highway, the other says he gets 15 MPG. I see this all the time and don't know what to make of it. Diesels are very reliant on peak RPMs for efficiency - so with some trucks a difference in 55 MPH ot 65 MPH makes a huge difference in fuel-mileage. In my own experience, it has made very little difference with most of my diesels. Perhaps that is because I live in hills and there is very little flat driving in this area. I don't have a Powerstroke - but with my F250 6.9 diesel, it gets just about exactly the same fuel mileage at 70 MPH as it does at 50 MPH - and gets almost the same mileage pulling a 4000-5000 lb. trailer as it does empty. We recently took a long trip across the Michigan UP where it's all flat driving. We drove a couple of hundred miles at 40 MPH and got 14 MPG - the same mileage I get at 65 MPH.

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Jerry Cent. Mi.

01-13-2006 04:48:38

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Re: OT-powerstroke milage? in reply to Don-Wi, 01-12-2006 21:19:18

My 99 super duty will get 22 on the open road empty (Actual fill verses miles run) I have kept actual records over 6000 miles with 35% loaded to 10,000 lbs and average 16.4 mpg. My 97 dodge 1500 would be around 12 mpg all of them teeth gritting.

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T_Bone

01-13-2006 04:41:30

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Re: OT-powerstroke milage? in reply to Don-Wi, 01-12-2006 21:19:18

Hi Donovan,

I have a 02 F350, DRW, CC, PSD, 6spd, CC, lwb, 4wd, completely stock.

You have to retrain yourself to drive a DBW, (drive by wire) fuel system to yeild the best fuel mileage. The most important being how hard to push on the go pedal to get you moving.

I set up a test road thats typical for my area when I first bought mine. This test road would yield:
20.75mpg@55mph
19.2mpg@60mph
18.1mpg@65mph
17.2mpg@70mph

I decided that I could live with 19.2mpg. Making that happen was not easy. I found that if I pushed a tad to hard on the fuel pedal, I would drop to 18.5mpg real easy, hence the retraining.

My 15k mile life time fuel mileage average, 17.1mpg that includes pulling 16kGCW for 6k miles thru the Colorado Rockies.

My 23k mile life time fuel mileage average, 15.2mpg that includes 6k miles pulling 16kGCW and 3k miles of pulling 31kGCW.

I now use tank averaging on a XL spead sheet, single tank, 3, 5, 10, trip mileage and life time fuel mileage, as I use a aux tank. This is a very accurate way to figure fuel mileage.

Do not use the overhead display to figure fuel mileage as there known to be off alot.

Total miles/gallons used = accurate fuel mileage.

The 7.3 doesn't need to be chipped. It has all the power you need in the stock configuration.

The KBB prices are phoney. I paid $30,997 cash with 18miles, and for the next two years the KBB listed my truck at $33,000 and change.

T_Bone

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BBx

01-13-2006 04:29:06

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Re: OT-powerstroke milage? in reply to Don-Wi, 01-12-2006 21:19:18

You might also check www.nada.com. Price looks about right by that site.

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Gus

01-13-2006 03:55:24

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Re: OT-powerstroke milage? in reply to Don-Wi, 01-12-2006 21:19:18

I have a 2000 250 4wd auto 3:73 reg. cab powerstroke,96,000 miles. Get about 14mpg. running around town, 35% highway pulling a 6X12 tool trailer behind. Highway with a tractor, or other heavy stuff behind 10 mpg. I bought the truck new and have had a positioning sensor, front brakes, front knuckles replaced so far. I'm sure there is more to come.Just put a bullydog programmer in to see if the mileage improves. Gave it more power so it may actually lose mileage. Oh well, a guy has to play.Gus

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John M

01-13-2006 03:18:12

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Re: OT-powerstroke milage? in reply to Don-Wi, 01-12-2006 21:19:18

I have a 01,around 17 on the hwy empty,11 loaded with an M Farmall,trannies are a weak point depending on build date,I got lucky and missed it.I agree with Rusty,look for something with a gasser.I wish I had never bought my truck, but will drive it until its paid for.

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RustyFarmall

01-13-2006 08:34:11

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Re: OT-powerstroke milage? in reply to John M, 01-13-2006 03:18:12

John M, thanks for that response. I own an '01 K3500 dually. It has the 8.1 gasser, 6 speed manual trans, 4.10 gears. Standard cab, air, and cruise control. Listed for $29,400. I get 14 mpg empty, and 10 with a goosneck trailer with a load. To get the duramax diesel in this truck would have added $4,000 to the list price. I have hauled an Allis D-17 diesel on I-70 going west from Denver to Utah, and was well satisfied with the power and performance, very few of the big rigs could pass me going up those long hills.

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RustyFarmall

01-12-2006 22:23:59

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Re: OT-powerstroke milage? in reply to Don-Wi, 01-12-2006 21:19:18

Won't bash the Ford, nothing wrong with them that isn't wrong with any of the other brands, but why do you need a diesel? They are over rated, over priced, and not that much more economical to operate. Look for a similar truck with a 460 in it and you will spend less money and still get the job done. Keep in mind that diesel fuel is priced anywhere from 20 to 60 cents a gallon higher than gasoline.

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alf150

01-13-2006 10:20:53

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Re: OT-powerstroke milage? in reply to RustyFarmall, 01-12-2006 22:23:59

hey rustyfarmall. You said that diesels are overrated. have you ever owned a diesel?i guess not. have you even driven a diesel less than 5 years old. Why do you think ALL semis are diesel. because they are the best choice if you pull alot or once every 2 years. sure diesel costs more but the mileage is much better compared to a gas. go to a dealer drive a gas then a diesel. then you can slam diesels.

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RustyFarmall

01-13-2006 11:57:40

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Re: OT-powerstroke milage? in reply to alf150, 01-13-2006 10:20:53

alf, you are comparing apples to oranges. I said nothing about diesels in general being over rated. My comment was directed towards diesel engines in pick-up trucks. A pick-up truck is NOT an over-the-road rig, and merely installing a diesel engine into a pick-up truck will NOT magically turn it into a class 8 big rig.

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01-13-2006 07:22:08

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Re: OT-powerstroke milage? in reply to RustyFarmall, 01-12-2006 22:23:59

Rusty, Just to be argumentative, have you ever put gas in a 460 Ford? I do not know where or how everyone is getting 20 something MPH in their PS, but I get 15 with regular diesel, can get up to 16.9-17 with biodiesel, it is not even 4wd, Now a 460 Ford will get about 10 on its best day, so IMHO diesel fuel would have to be 30% higher than gas to make up MPG differance, but a 460 gasser still does not have to torque my PS has. A friend had a 460 Ford F250 4WD, said pulling a trailer got it down to 6-7 MPG.
Jim

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RustyFarmall

01-13-2006 08:23:36

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Re: OT-powerstroke milage? in reply to JT, 01-13-2006 07:22:08

JT, at least you are being honest about your fuel mileage, not saying the others are not being honest. No, I've never owned a 460 Ford, I was just trying to stick up for the blue oval folks a little bit, and to point out the fact that the extra cost of buying and maintaining a diesel just doesn't pencil out unless you have that truck fully loaded and working nearly every day.

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dhermesc

01-13-2006 09:00:53

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Re: OT-powerstroke milage? in reply to RustyFarmall, 01-13-2006 08:23:36

Considering Ford hasn't put a 460 in a a pickup since the 1997 model year you're going to be looking long and hard for one. The V10 is a fairly good engine, my brother owned a 2001 crew cab F250 long bed, he got about 15-16 highway, about 10 pulling anything of size. I would stay away from the "older" Super Duties with the 5.4 engine, way to much mass to be pushing around and the the fuel mileage is less then the V10. Couple that with the blown head gaskets and the it gets pretty pricy real quick. The newer 3 valve 5.4 might be OK in a F250.

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thejdman01

01-13-2006 17:45:00

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Re: OT-powerstroke milage? in reply to dhermesc, 01-13-2006 09:00:53

We have a v-10 2000 ford at work 84,000 miles. It loaded with anywhere from 6,000lbs up to 15000lbs. it gets 6-9mpg. It is in a 450 2 wheel drive automatic. NO real big hills, no fast driving mix of highway and city. Of course remember all loads are 1/2 miles empty 1/2 miles loaded (trailers empty going to pickup or empty after deliveary). The power stroke pulling the smame load same conditions same driver automatic as well 10-13mpg. V-8 ford in thef 350 automatic same loads 8-11. Any hills climbs with ease with the diesel. I would strongly stay away from the v-10.

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Allan in NE

01-13-2006 04:22:49

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Re: OT-powerstroke milage? in reply to RustyFarmall, 01-12-2006 22:23:59

Hi Ol Pard,

I used to think the same thing 'til I went to work at Ford a number of years ago, Rusty.

You about have to drive one to get the feel for what they are all about. Like any other diesel, the gassers just can't touch 'em for their torque, power and lugging ability.

A 460 is to a 7.3 the way an H is to a 1066. They just don't even compare at all.

Allan

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Punchie

01-13-2006 05:21:33

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Re: OT-powerstroke milage? in reply to Allan in NE, 01-13-2006 04:22:49

Mileage on friends is around 17 . He has in the last few years , done this to it as to compair. Trans. cost him 2700. done by friend should have cost up around 4000-5500. 50000 mile garantee (SP) . The reason being the trans can not hold the power of the enghine. Sarter same 220, should have been around 650. Batterys likes new ones every 3 years, Alternator (SP) 275 . should have been 500-600. So yes I can see they are apples and oranges.

Teddy I do like the power of the truck, but would I own one ??? Diesel was 2.80 and gas was 2.20. Cost of up keep?

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Joel Harman

01-13-2006 05:36:46

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Re: OT-powerstroke milage? in reply to Punchie, 01-13-2006 05:21:33

Have 99 F350 with 4.10 finals, 7.3, 6 sp. Get 10-12mpg towing, maybe 13-14 on highway empty. clutch springs went into pressure plate at 62K or so. Out of warranty -over 5 yr. Input shaft on tranny took a dump at same time - out of warranty.

yrs ago test drove other make. I had 3/4T ford. 1T other was lighter than 3/4T.

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John M

01-13-2006 03:15:04

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Re: OT-powerstroke milage? in reply to RustyFarmall, 01-12-2006 22:23:59

In fact the particualr one hes talking about is less economical than alot of gassers!

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J.C. IN AZ.

01-12-2006 22:19:39

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Re: OT-powerstroke milage? in reply to Don-Wi, 01-12-2006 21:19:18

That Truck would start at $18,500.00 here in Az. Mine[02] gets up to 15mpg if I drive with some common sense. Pulling a 35' Jayco 5th wheel[11000 #] at 60-65mph it will get 7-9mpg, less under hard pulls such as Wolf Creek or Monarch Pass in Colo. F-350, 7.3 w/ 5 Speed 2-wheel drive,Ext. Cab Long Bed.Not a Dually.

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