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Car rims for a small utility trailer - Long Post

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Darren in TN

01-11-2006 09:35:50




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Howdy, y'all.
I've got an el cheapo utility trailer that came from Harbor Freight as a kit. It came with two tires, so it doesn't have a spare. They sell a spare for $40, but it seems to me I'd be better off if I could put a pair of junkyard-pulled wheels on it, thus giving me two heavier-duty tires and rims and two spares (the original tires and rims, that is.) Well, I pulled a tire to measure last night and found that the rims are 4 on 100mm, so lots of older foreign cars use the same bolt pattern. However, backspacing/offset is going to be an issue. The hubs on the trailer are pretty close to the chassis, with about 1-1/2" clearance between the factory tire and the chassis. Factory tires are 12 x 4.80 on a rim with what looks like 0 offset. So, a garden-variety 4-100mm rim off of a front-wheel drive import is going to be too deep due to its 30 or 40mm of positive offset. I've looked but haven't yet found anything RWD with negative offset that would work. I'll keep looking, but in the meantime I've gotten to wondering about flipping rims around backwards. It really sounds like a dumb idea to me, but I was hoping somebody out there might say, "Nope, it's perfectly fine. Just don't do it with a car or a heavy-duty trailer." The two things that I see going against it (aside from the fact they aren't designed to be used backwards) are (1) that the lugs center the tire going on the right way and may not center the tire or seat properly with the rim backwards, and (2) that some rims (especially alloy wheels) aren't going to fit backwards, though I have seen some steel rims that I am sure will fit.

Feel free to tell me this is a boneheaded idea. I'm pretty well convinced of that myself, but I've already learned a good bit trying to figure this one out so please throw in some facts and opinions for me to ponder.

Thanks,
Darren

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T_Bone

01-11-2006 17:34:53




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 Re: Car rims for a small utility trailer - Long Po in reply to Darren in TN, 01-11-2006 09:35:50  
Hi Darren,

I think they put on tires that matched the trailer frame weight design. By installing larger tires you will most likely overload the trailer frame.

T_Bone



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RayP(MI)

01-11-2006 16:56:21




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 Re: Car rims for a small utility trailer - Long Po in reply to Darren in TN, 01-11-2006 09:35:50  
My utility trailer came with automobile rims, and tires. Only thing they did was to open up the center hole on the rim to fit the larger stub sticking out of the hub. This was a 13" tire on a Chevy Vega, Monza, etc. wheel. I have also successfully "borrowed" automotive rims and hubs to put on various applications. My favorite are rear hubs from smaller Chrysler products, as the hub can easily be salvaged and bolted on axle, or whatever. Barke assembly and whatnot can be easyly removed and discarded as necessary.

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Scott in IL

01-11-2006 15:42:13




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 Re: Car rims for a small utility trailer - Long Po in reply to Darren in TN, 01-11-2006 09:35:50  
Something you might want to consider is that those hubs will swap easily for 5 lug ones.

Then if you have something like a Ford Ranger (I forget what the bolt pattern actually is) you can use the same spare for both. Not that you are going to buy a truck or car to fit, but something to consider depending on your situation.

Myself, 4 lug trailer rims are like coat hangers around here. They seem to be multiplying. There are no shortage of used ones if you hit the consignment auctions.

I agree with the above. Wally World has the rims dirt cheap. Turning them around is a bad move.

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Goldwingboy

01-11-2006 14:56:04




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 Re: Car rims for a small utility trailer - Long Po in reply to Darren in TN, 01-11-2006 09:35:50  
I believe Wallmart sells those wheels for alot less than $40. Might be worth a look. GWB



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Don L C

01-11-2006 12:31:02




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 Re: Car rims for a small utility trailer - Long Po in reply to Darren in TN, 01-11-2006 09:35:50  
Hi Darren .....you want to be careful swapping wheels and tires around....That is why they make so many patterns....to keep guys like us from putting wrong parts togeather....that is why your car wheels wont fit your truck...SEll your little trailer and buy a heaver one.....



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J.C. IN AZ.

01-11-2006 11:45:31




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 Re: Car rims for a small utility trailer - Long Po in reply to Darren in TN, 01-11-2006 09:35:50  
Your biggest problem will be explaining to the Party this rigged adaption injured when it breaks off why it was so in the first place. Rims are engineered to be used for the application they were built for, not to be run in "Reverse" I personally wish to be 2 States away from you when you use this contraption on the public Hghways.



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Darren in TN

01-11-2006 11:23:13




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 Re: Car rims for a small utility trailer - Long Po in reply to Darren in TN, 01-11-2006 09:35:50  

Wow, great info on the AMC and GM cars, guys.

As always, I really appreciate y'all's input. Keep it coming!

Darren



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Dave_Id

01-11-2006 10:00:00




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 Re: Car rims for a small utility trailer - Long Po in reply to Darren in TN, 01-11-2006 09:35:50  
The old American Motors cars like the Rambler had bolt on hubs, so you can bolt them up to a flat plate welded to your axle. I made a number of log splitters back in the early 80's, and they worked quite well



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Tim...Ok

01-11-2006 11:07:52




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 Re: Car rims for a small utility trailer - Long Po in reply to Dave_Id, 01-11-2006 10:00:00  
Hey Dave, So did he front wheel drive GM cars from the 80's,had bolt on rear spindles..alot easier to find now than the old AMC stuff..we use'em for all kinds of stuff,and they are cheap..

Tim



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KEH

01-11-2006 09:58:19




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 Re: Car rims for a small utility trailer - Long Po in reply to Darren in TN, 01-11-2006 09:35:50  
Darren, What I don't like about the idea is that the lug nuts are tapered to fit in a matching recess in the holes in the wheels. Also, on steel wheels there is a flat surface that fits flat against the wheel and makes the wheel run true. I guess it would be too much expense and trouble to have the axle extended. I would watch out at yard sales and flea markets, someone might have an old spare wheel.

KEH

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dan67

01-11-2006 09:46:51




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 Re: Car rims for a small utility trailer - Long Po in reply to Darren in TN, 01-11-2006 09:35:50  
biggest problem are the lug holes are tapered to fit the taper of the acorn type lug nut you have a possible of lugs not staying tight. hope you find one that works mounted the right way. Have a good day



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Janicholson

01-11-2006 14:00:08




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 Re: Car rims for a small utility trailer - Long Po in reply to dan67, 01-11-2006 09:46:51  
As big a problem is the offset of the car tire placing additional bending moment on the bearings.
Both in the area of side force applied in turns, and in static load.
Not a good idea.
Use the GM axle in its entirity with the unused parts unbolted and removed: brake drum, backing plate, shoes, and springs. (easy to take apart.
The axle can then be drilled and bolted under/over your springs)
JimN

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