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Deere 2510 vs Allis D17 IV

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Redwing

01-02-2006 14:09:00




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I have narrowed it done to two 1967's both wide frontends. This tractor is going to be used to plough,disc,cultavate,150 gal 3pt sprayer and back blade work.
The Deere is a 2510 gas SCV-1,15.5x38 75% 4300 plus hours. A real nice looking tractor everything works. $6000
The Allis is a D17 IV gas factory 3pt SCV-2,loaded 18.4x28 95%, 3400 plus hours. This tractor was traded in with a cracked block. So the dealer has rebuilt a Gleaner E combine engine and used it on his farm for the last year. Nice looking everything works.$4250 I have been dealing with this dealer for years he has worked on my tractor and I trust him. I was going to buy the Deere today but the Allis was in his shop for a paint job and it caught my eye so I asked about it and got the history and was told $4250 before paint. It looks to me like the Allis is the way to go or am I missing something. Any thoughts?

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Redwing

01-03-2006 08:51:20




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 Re: Deere 2510 vs Allis D17 IV in reply to Redwing, 01-02-2006 14:09:00  
Well I played with all three tractors in the field next to the dealer this morning. 4 bottom Allis plough, HYD lift 9' New Idea pull disc, 7' king kutter blade. The 185 just played with stuff. The Deere was front end light even with the rear blade front weight is a must with plough.The D17 handled every thing with out a fuss.When ploughing the D17 felt stronger plus the gov responded quicker than the 2510. One other thing that I noticed the D17 is SMOOTH whether sitting idling or full snort pulling the plough. The feed back from you guys was a big help THANX ALOT. I bought the D17 plough,disc,and a 95 bushel manure spreader for $6200. Do I have to paint my green truck orange now. LOL

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John (MO)

01-03-2006 11:59:19




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 Re: Deere 2510 vs Allis D17 IV in reply to Redwing, 01-03-2006 08:51:20  
You don"t have to repaint your truck, just get some nice AC decals or something like that for it.

Best of luck with your new toys.

You just can"t beat side-by-side tests like you did. There would have been even more Allis tractors sold and less JD if more people would have tried the tractors like you did back when they were new.



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John (MO)

01-03-2006 07:30:06




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 Re: Deere 2510 vs Allis D17 IV in reply to Redwing, 01-02-2006 14:09:00  
You will pay more for the Deere and be getting less tractor. At the time they were made, the Allis D-17 was the best tractor on the market. The Deere has a Cat 1, 3 point, that should tell you something right there. The 185 is a great tractor too, and that is where your choise should be, between the D-17 and the 185.



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joe e-tx

01-03-2006 17:48:08




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 Re: Deere 2510 vs Allis D17 IV in reply to John (MO), 01-03-2006 07:30:06  
well i dont know were it came from my 2510 a cat two



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Glen in TX

01-03-2006 12:47:36




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 Re: Deere 2510 vs Allis D17 IV in reply to John (MO), 01-03-2006 07:30:06  
Well the JD 2510 gas shouldn't have been built but they had to offer options. The D17 is a 226 CID engine and 1000 pounds lighter than a 2510 with 180 CID gas engine. If you had ever owned a 2510 diesel with the 202 or 219 conversion there would be no argument to go with the JD. 2510 only had a Cat. 1, 3 point? WRONG WRONG!! The JDs made then would convert to Cat. 1 or 2 just by changing the sway blocks and not using the bushings. JD also made some of the first successful and later copied 3 point quick hitches and we had one on our 2510. They made ballast add on weights and you won't find many 2510 or 2520 diesels for sale often. All the AC dealers here folded long ago and that just killed them here.

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TomTX

01-03-2006 05:46:44




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 Re: Deere 2510 vs Allis D17 IV in reply to Redwing, 01-02-2006 14:09:00  
Given what you have described, would go with the JD 2510. About the D17 IV, you say "This tractor was traded in with a cracked block. So the dealer has rebuilt a Gleaner E combine engine and used it on his farm for the last year"
Be wary about the term "rebuilt" and ask to see the full bill of parts, labor, etc that went in to this "rebuild". This term to some people is just enough used or new parts to get the engine to operate. If it was a true full real rebuild, and you can be sure about it, then the dealer would be asking much more for the tractor.
Good luck with your purchase.
Tom

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JoelS

01-03-2006 04:14:03




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 Re: Deere 2510 vs Allis D17 IV in reply to Redwing, 01-02-2006 14:09:00  
The Allis will start better and be more manuverable and more efficient. It has a stronger 3-point hitch also. The live PTO differs only slightly from the Deere independent PTO. The live PTO you can start and stop the tractor motion without affecting the PTO. The independent PTO you can start and stop the PTO with affecting motion of the tractor. Parts are reasonable for the Allis too. The 185 is even better but have to plug it in when colder than 40 degrees.

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JDknut

01-03-2006 03:34:58




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 Re: Deere 2510 vs Allis D17 IV in reply to Redwing, 01-02-2006 14:09:00  
no contest, the Deere wins hands down. The Alice is good for a collector but the Deere is a worker.



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edchainsaw

01-02-2006 16:08:56




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 Re: Deere 2510 vs Allis D17 IV in reply to Redwing, 01-02-2006 14:09:00  
I dont think I would go with a D17 to work ground with.

I know the tranny probs, the lack of Independant PTO, the steering the operator platform.....

the 17 is a good machine but I rather use the 2510

we have a D15



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olivertwist

01-02-2006 17:05:43




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 Re: Deere 2510 vs Allis D17 IV in reply to edchainsaw, 01-02-2006 16:08:56  
ED the series four has live PTO independent HYD and power steering. I have ran both tractors in the same field with the same brand 4 bottom plow. The traction Boster on the Allis is a big advantage. The Allis is a better field and utility tractor. I liked both tractors but the Deere left years a go and I just used the old allis to clean moms drive of snow 3-4 weeks ago.



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DeereDiesel

01-02-2006 15:06:15




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 Re: Deere 2510 vs Allis D17 IV in reply to Redwing, 01-02-2006 14:09:00  
I think you will like the 2510 better. I think its a good tractor what you said you wanted it to do. It would be a really good tractor to use a blade. I think if you buy the allis you will have problems down the road. The 2510 should be more dependabale. It would be even better if you could find a 2510 diesel, or a 3010 0r 3020 diesel. I don't realy know what you should bye. Good luck. I hope you find a tractor that will be good for you.

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Doug in IL

01-02-2006 14:58:28




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 Re: Deere 2510 vs Allis D17 IV in reply to Redwing, 01-02-2006 14:09:00  
I own both of these tractors. They are both good machines. If I could keep only one, it would be the Deere. Mainly because the Deere has a true indepentant live pto. The Allis doesn't. Also, because the Deere is a "flat deck" tractor and much more comfortable and easier to operate all day long. I don't like straddling the transmission housing on the Allis. The Deere power steering is much better also. As is the hydraulic system. My Allis has 3400 hrs., the Deere about 7000. The Allis you are looking at has 2 remotes. That's a plus. You can add the second one on the Deere for about $450 in used parts. The Deere 3 point will handle more weight than the Allis with out lifting the front end off the ground. The D17 starts better in cold weather that the 2510 does. The Deere will probably hold it's resale better, and be a little easier to sell, if the time comes. The Allis is shorter in height and more compact if storage, or working around trees, is an issue. The Allis is a very good tractor. I'm happy with both of them.

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Redwing

01-02-2006 15:25:14




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 Re: Deere 2510 vs Allis D17 IV in reply to Doug in IL, 01-02-2006 14:58:28  
THANXS for the quick feedback guys!
The same dealer has an Allis 185 Diesel in the same shape as the other two tractors for $5500. Never owning a diesel before I was more comfortable was the gas engines.



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Tim Shultz

01-02-2006 20:42:36




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 Re: Deere 2510 vs Allis D17 IV in reply to Redwing, 01-02-2006 15:25:14  
GET THE 185!!!!! YOU WILL OVE IT! THE BEST TTRACTOR EVER MADE! if you ask me..
Tim Shultz



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Hurst

01-02-2006 19:49:54




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 Re: Deere 2510 vs Allis D17 IV in reply to Redwing, 01-02-2006 15:25:14  
The 185 is another good tractor. I don't know where you live, but the 301 doesn't like starting in cold weather without being plugged up unless it has been overhauled with different rings/pistons than stock design. If the tranny doesn't jump out of gear and the powerdirector is in good shape, you can hardly go wrong with that tractor. We used to have 3 180s that were the "big" tractors on our horse farm (pulled 3-16s and a 20 ft batwing in some hilly horse pasture). The hundred allis series is also simple. It is based a lot off of the D series, which was very dependable. 5500 is fair if it is in great mechanical shape. hours and overall condition will make a big difference. A beat up one is not worth much, but you said it is in good shape, so that should be close to a fair price. I don't know why you wouldn't feel more comfortable with diesels. The injection system is a lot less complicated than the ignition on a gas. In a diesel, if it isn't firing, you know it is not getting fuel or not getting it at the right time. They are pretty simple once you get to know them, which doesn't take too long. Let me know if you have any more questions.

Hurst

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Hurst

01-02-2006 14:46:59




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 Re: Deere 2510 vs Allis D17 IV in reply to Redwing, 01-02-2006 14:09:00  
The D17 IV doesn't have the reputation for being one of the best tractors allis made for no reason. We had a diesel model and it was a real work horse. The D17 is a really heavy tractor for its size, therefore has a lot more pull ability than a lot of tractors that size (The deere may be pretty heavy, but it looked smaller to me). Allis had the best castings of any tractor company at the time and probably still today. Think about it, the same material used to build the turbans for the hoover dam were used on that tractor's cast parts. You can't go wrong with a D17 series 4. I think you will like it a lot for tillate work, a very well balanced tractor weight wise also. There are quite a few people who pull 4 bottom plows (4-16) with series 4 gassers (stock motor, no mods) just fine. Also, the D17 will be better on fuel than the 2510 no matter what the engine. The 226 was a very efficient engine. Good luck

Hurst

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kyhayman

01-02-2006 14:28:03




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 Re: Deere 2510 vs Allis D17 IV in reply to Redwing, 01-02-2006 14:09:00  
The Allis is the way I'd go give the choices.



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Leland

01-02-2006 14:35:21




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 Re: Deere 2510 vs Allis D17 IV in reply to kyhayman, 01-02-2006 14:28:03  
As long as the allis stays in gear they had a few problems with that with age .



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