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thejdman01

12-20-2005 08:06:05




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The post below about hauling interstate hay and myself having a cdl but not on the road that much got me thinking. Also the new landline magazine which I read this weekend got me thinking. According to Landline, you are allowed 15 min or 25 min per hour if less then 32 degrees Fahrenheit. Exceptions traffic conditions, perform needed work or a natural g as electric vehicles. then you go to say Connecticut 3 minutes period. not less then 500 dollar fine. Some states such as New York 5 min not less then 375 dollars, not more then 15,000 first offense. That?s a big span and a lot of quick money. Washington dc first time 500 bucks first offense and doubles for each subsequent violation. 3 Minutes or 5 if below 32 degrees, not much. What do you make of all these new laws? Really worried about pollution or a quick buck for the government? Will they really be enforced? Seems like it could turn into a huge problem troopers sitting at truck stops 6 minutes roles around and slaps you with a 500 dollar fine in Washington D.C. The thing the really gets me is Minnesota inside the City of Minneapolis you are allowed zero idling minutes in residential areas between 10pm and 6am including reefers. Is that there way from keeping all semis from coming home? I know of a shop in Minneapolis that is near housing what if he has a truck in there he?s working on w/a reefer trailer? Also the magazine doesnt state that these laws are semi restricted so do they apply to you warming your car up in the morning?

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Leland

12-20-2005 21:39:01




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 Re: Idling laws, who they apply to/what to come fo in reply to thejdman01, 12-20-2005 08:06:05  
Never ticketed but hasseled about it on east coast and a 12v electric bunk warmer helps stop the cold from coming up thru your bed when really cold and nasty .



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Mike from cny

12-20-2005 21:04:13




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 Re: Idling laws, who they apply to/what to come fo in reply to thejdman01, 12-20-2005 08:06:05  
I'm up in central new york, and I usually start my truck in the morning when I get the skidsteer to do the driveway, I wonder if this applys to private property as well?



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Kevin Bismark

12-20-2005 16:44:15




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 Re: Idling laws, who they apply to/what to come fo in reply to thejdman01, 12-20-2005 08:06:05  
This is all about free money for the government, they are so over funded they are almost crippled with the extra money, I had a cop think about giving me a ticket last week when it was 10 below for tractor I had running in the parking lot at the gas station then he realized he used to work with me so he changed the topic of conversation, this is all about stealing more money from working folks...
Kevin

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Nolan

12-20-2005 10:11:18




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 Re: Idling laws, who they apply to/what to come fo in reply to thejdman01, 12-20-2005 08:06:05  
I work with the folks from various states that came up with the anti-idling laws. They are about pollution. Just like the gas can "improvements". And like happens with any law, some folks/agencies do twist it into money.

Enforcement varies. DC is going after it from a money perspective. New Jersey is going after it from a pure pollution perspective.

As for cars, they are normally not covered. Most anti-idling laws are diesel specific. Individual jurisdictions can, and do, have anti-idling car laws. I can think of one county in particular that has a special anti-idling police force dedicated to prosecuting people who warm up their cars in their driveways, with a special 800 number you can report your nieghbors on.

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the tractor vet

12-20-2005 13:12:01




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 Re: Idling laws, who they apply to/what to come fo in reply to Nolan, 12-20-2005 10:11:18  
Then maybe all us truckers should not haul your food and fuel and clothes after the temp drops below 50 degrees and oh yea your beer and not start haulen again till it gets above 50 degrees then you could starvet to death and freeze like you want us to . Why don't you try sleeping in a tin can some night when it is 0 outside and it is 0 inside . If we did not haul then the pol. would be down and there also would be a bunch of people out of work and also there would be all that fuel not being used. You tree huggers have caused more harm then good . And the EPA has cost this country more then anyone can think of and have they ever fixed a problem no they just move it from one place to another along with jobs they are moved out of this country to where they don't have the problems with tree huggers.

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Nolan

12-21-2005 04:33:38




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 Re: Idling laws, who they apply to/what to come fo in reply to the tractor vet, 12-20-2005 13:12:01  
When you mature enough to post something above a childish tantrum, I'll reply.



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mjbrown

12-20-2005 09:43:16




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 Re: Idling laws, who they apply to/what to come fo in reply to thejdman01, 12-20-2005 08:06:05  
I'm not a trucker but I did see a news piece about this and I thought the places where these laws were in effect had truck hook ups for heat, electric, internet and cable for a reasonable fee(less than the cost of idling). Also apu's available to run the sleeper without running the big engine. Also supposed to be cheaper, cleaner and reduce wear on the big boy.



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the tractor vet

12-20-2005 09:57:21




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 Re: Idling laws, who they apply to/what to come fo in reply to mjbrown, 12-20-2005 09:43:16  
Yes some of the truckstops are installing them but not all have them and only on a limited basices , but what about the guys that have to be setting at the gate or the plant when the doors open they don't have this for them it's a bunch of bull . I have spent many of nites in the bunk when it has gotten realy cold like - 20 and down and beleive me it get cold in there even with the engine running at 1200 RPM and the bunk heater running on full and the cab heater on full the cold even come up thru the mattress like to froze my donkey off out in Minn. a couple years ago it got down to 25 below and had a hard time keeping the engine at 170 degrees .

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the tractor vet

12-20-2005 09:42:43




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 Re: Idling laws, who they apply to/what to come fo in reply to thejdman01, 12-20-2005 08:06:05  
Yep , that is the way it is but i would like for the idiots that made up these laws to spend the nite in a sleeper and see how fast it gets cold in there and have to get up and fire the truck up and try to warm it back up in three min. There furnaces put out just as much pol. i think that they should have to shut down there furnaces at nite and see how fast they freeze there donkeys off and if they can warm there house up in three min. But wait if you have around 7500 bucks you can install one of them genarators that also heat and cool your truck i am sure that all the big trucking companys are going to run out and insall them on there fleet , yea wright they could care les if the driver freezes they will just place another add in the paper truck drivers are a dime a dozen.

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Nebraska Cowman

12-20-2005 09:16:16




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 Re: Idling laws, who they apply to/what to come fo in reply to thejdman01, 12-20-2005 08:06:05  
Made me think of a story. Years ago i went for a weekend in Omaha. The place we were staing was next to a Burlington Northern siding and as I lived next to the largest rail classification yard in the world at North Platte NE I slept like a baby, even dreamed I was home in my own bed. Next moring at breakfast I chatted with a man that worked for the UPRR but lived out in the country, "didn't sleep all night, there was a unit running outside my window" Just depends what you get used to.

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Deere in Ar.

12-20-2005 09:09:40




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 Re: Idling laws, who they apply to/what to come fo in reply to thejdman01, 12-20-2005 08:06:05  
I heard someone tell that if you have a dog with you they cannot make you shut it off. Animal rights more important than people.



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Mike M

12-20-2005 08:56:12




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 Re: Idling laws, who they apply to/what to come fo in reply to thejdman01, 12-20-2005 08:06:05  
Another usless law that will make new ways of getting around it. At work the parts delivery truck that comes in has somekinda shutdown on it for excess idling. I forget the exact details but it sounded like if the driver didn't set all the brakes (maybe only the trailer brakes)it would keep engine running ? Anyhow it didn't seem safe to me ? They have a timer otherwise that shuts it off and it's stupid because alot of times he's done about the same time it shuts off. Another 5 min. and he could of been gone.

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Jack-Iowa

12-20-2005 08:35:13




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 Re: Idling laws, who they apply to/what to come fo in reply to thejdman01, 12-20-2005 08:06:05  
Gee how many laws are on the books now that do not get enforced? Guess it is on the books just in case they need to do unto you and they have it covered.



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