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MTrim

12-19-2005 16:04:21

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A little of topic, but ag related...what type of regulations am I going to run into if I haul hay from my farm in Ohio to a farm in Florida. Weight restrictions? Commercial issues? Permits required?

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Luke S

12-21-2005 10:20:57

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Re: Hauling Hay - Interstate in reply to MTrim, 12-19-2005 16:04:21

Don't worry so much is my advice. A wise man once told me to go straight forward until sombody tells you to stop. I'd be willing to bet you could drive all the way to florida and not stop any place and have no trouble. Just get in your truck and go. If sombody stops you play stupid. I think Everybody worries about this stuff cause they are trying to pretend they are truckers or somthing. I haul a 48' stepdeck trailer behind a 1-ton Dodge dually for business purposes and don't do anything special. The rig has a combined gross weight of 34,000lbs and I have never been so much as sneezed at. Just go and don't worry.

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Charles McNelly III

12-20-2005 17:48:58

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Re: Hauling Hay - Interstate in reply to MTrim, 12-19-2005 16:04:21

If I were you and had a load of hay to haul, I would take it to South Texas. Round Bales are going for $70 to $80 each. Square is between $6.50 and $10. We"re 16" of rain behind for the year and hurting. If you have alfalfa, it would be sold before you could stop the truck.
Drive straight through. Nights are best you know.
Good Luck

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Charles McNelly III

12-20-2005 17:48:08

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Re: Hauling Hay - Interstate in reply to MTrim, 12-19-2005 16:04:21

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12-20-2005 08:51:40

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Re: Hauling Hay - Interstate in reply to MTrim, 12-19-2005 16:04:21

One other thing, if you are hauling for hire, one set of regs are involved, including log books, drive time, etc., if you are hauling your own products, for yourself, in your own truck, then another set of regs are involved. Usually farm commodities have all together differant regs to deal with. Unfortunalty, it does not matter what size truck you drive or the weight, one of my reps has a F250, with a company name on it, when he pulls a trailer, he is required to fufill all DOT regs concerning drive for hire, got a ticket one day in Tennessee, I think, for not having a log book, filled out with him. Without a trailer, he never gets stopped. I guess it depends on what kind of mood they are in and if they have their monthly quota yet!

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Bret4207

12-20-2005 16:05:22

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Re: Hauling Hay - Interstate in reply to JT, 12-20-2005 08:51:40

Your company rep hauling in an F250 without a trailer is probably under 10,000 lb GVWR, with the trailer over 10,000lb CGVWR. That would be why he does get stopeed with the trailer and not without. I gotta go fill my quota now.

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thejdman01

12-20-2005 07:57:34

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Re: Hauling Hay - Interstate in reply to MTrim, 12-19-2005 16:04:21

In ILlinois (where i live what i know about) a single vehicle cannot have air brakes and has to be under 26,000 lbs. 26,001 lbs or air brakes will require a cdl. In IL the trailer you are towing cannot exceede 10,000lbs or have air brakes, if so you need a cdl. A lot of states have different rules, most states dont use air brakes as a cdl requirement. The folks on here are very very knowledgeable and helpful but check with each states dot to make sure. Laws are constantly changing with the concern of dieseases terrorism, etc etc. In fact there are also some new anti idling laws coming into effect you should probably check on. I do recieve numerous trucking magazines like overdrive oidia landline etc but even so im not up on all the laws. Some anti idling laws going into effect such as in georgia are 500 dollar minimum according to landline, you are lalowed 15 min or 25 min per hour if less then 32 degrees fahrenheit. exceptions traffic conditions, perform needed work or a natural g as electric vehicles. then yoou go to say connecticut 3 minutes period. not less then 500 dollar fine. some states such as new york 5 min not less then 375 dollars, not more then 15,000 first offense. thats a big span and alot of quick money. washington dc first time 500 bucks first offense and doubles for each subsequent violation.

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MTrim

12-20-2005 06:17:36

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Re: Hauling Hay - Interstate in reply to MTrim, 12-19-2005 16:04:21

I'm talking about small squares, loaded in a cargo box on top of a flat bed gooseneck, so there are no width or load stability issues. If the GCVW stays under 25,000lbs, will there be any DOT restrictions? What are the rules regarding stopping at weigh stations?

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john in la

12-20-2005 17:34:40

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Re: Hauling Hay - Interstate in reply to MTrim, 12-20-2005 06:17:36

Well you gave me some of the particulars but not ALL so lets see what we got. Lets assume you will be 25,000 lbs.

Since you are under 26,000lbs you do not need a CDL.
You will need to stop at all scales and AG inspection stations.
If you do not meet one of the commercial exemptions (farmer) you will also need a log book and a apportion tag.
Some states may even harass you for not having a IFTA fuel sticker.

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Matt Smith

12-20-2005 05:03:45

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Re: Hauling Hay - Interstate in reply to MTrim, 12-19-2005 16:04:21

In Tennessee, you can't have hay hanging over the side of your trailer while on the interstate. You CAN have it hanging over while on highways. You also need to have proper plates. This was told to a friend of mine by a DOT officer when he was cited for being overweight.

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Leland

12-19-2005 18:31:02

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Re: Hauling Hay - Interstate in reply to MTrim, 12-19-2005 16:04:21

Ag has it's own funny rules as does some states ,and are you moving small bales or large ? you may need an over width permit , and the only state that you need to worry about is Tennessee they will get anybody for any thing . And make sure to check if you need a log book if you are driving a large enough truck and find out about permits as well that allow you to operate in each state you can order permits and have them faxed to any decent truck stop usually pick up at fuel desk .

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the tractor vet

12-19-2005 19:18:10

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Re: Hauling Hay - Interstate in reply to Leland, 12-19-2005 18:31:02

And over wideth permit is not allowed for a load that is divisable and on hay you either stack it to be in the 8foot 6 inch or you are over plain and simpel and ya best be legal on the axels and on the gross . When ya haul hay to Fl. you will enter thru and Ag. check station and they are OPEN 24-7and they want to see paper work , How do i know this well i hauled hay to Fl. from Mich. S. Dakota and Ohio and don't care if i ever do it again haulen small squares that far and ya never can get the load tight and running down thru West virginia the load can shift and then ya have to find some freight hauler to back into the load to shove it back over then there is the problem of tryen to find something comming out of Fl. to atleast pay for fuel and wages .

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john in la

12-19-2005 17:42:27

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Re: Hauling Hay - Interstate in reply to MTrim, 12-19-2005 16:04:21

I would really need to know all the particulars to answer the question because farmers are exempt from some laws that others have to follow.

Like kyhayman said; your biggest problem is going to be getting into Fla. While Fla is not as bad as AZ they do check Ag loads to try and prevent the spread of diseases.

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Bret4207

12-20-2005 16:02:10

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Re: Hauling Hay - Interstate in reply to john in la, 12-19-2005 17:42:27

John- Don"t have the book in front of me, but I think a farmer gets exempted hauling his own stuff up to 150 miles as a general rule. The 100 air mile log exemption is the same I think. Look under The 395. section on the logs and the general exemption is in 390 I think.

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john in la

12-20-2005 17:51:00

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Re: Hauling Hay - Interstate in reply to Bret4207, 12-20-2005 16:02:10

A farmer gets an exempted from the CDL rules hauling his own stuff up to 150 miles from his house or farm.
The farmer also has a log book and tag exemption everywhere as long as the state you are in honors this exemption in return for your home state doing the same for its drivers in your state.

The next step is a private carrier that has to follow all rules except the authority rules. ICC#.

Now let me go out and play the cat and mouse game some more and see how many DOT check points I can get by without being checked. LOL.

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kyhayman

12-19-2005 16:33:51

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Re: Hauling Hay - Interstate in reply to MTrim, 12-19-2005 16:04:21

This is a bit of a guess here but having hauled in the Ohio, KY, TN, GA, and FL areas biggest problems are going to be Ohio and Florida. As long as you are Ohio legal you should be ok until you get to Florida. They may want certification of weed, insect, and disease free or inspect at port of entry. Maybe not. I've been stopped and checked and have stopped and been waved through. Keep it under 26,000 and Ohio legal and you should be fine. For that long of a run I normally haul right at 20,000-21,000.

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