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old fashioned f

12-17-2005 07:17:16




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Good morning and howdy all,

The hay business is starting to pick up a little around home. Got a customer comin this morning but had to let dad handle it as I'm at the parts counter right now. Makes it hard to run a hay business when you're 30 miles from the barn. But I gotta pay bills so the parts job has to stay. Anyway, after the year I've had with my baler breaking down (and stil not fixed), my main power source tractor still in the shop (waiting for warmer weather so I can plug a leak with liquid glass), and the weather problems I had; I've been thinkin awful hard about how I'm going to make this hay business profitable. I'd like to expand but I don't know how to go about it with my job keepin me away from 7am till 5:45pm and 7-12:45 on Saturdays it is hard to get stuff done. I'm hoping to invest in a haybine come spring but don't know any good ways to fight the S. OH summer weather. Last year I put over 600lb of fertilizer to the acre on one field. I still haven't finished bush hogging what would have been the first cutting on half of that field. The wet spring kept me out and by the time it did dry there were big stalky weeds maturing in it. That ruined most of what I cut off of it and it isn't selling well. I know that moving to a haybine will do a big favor since my neighbor put in great hay this year and I lost most of mine to rain. I'm not in a financial position to heavily invest in fert., equip., and labor but want to expand so this hay business is more than just a hobby to eat money and tear up equipment. Guess I need to diversify into goats ha ha! Any ideas for a poor guy with old equipment who wants to keep the latter part the same? God bless.

--old fashioned farmer

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Punchie

12-19-2005 04:29:33




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 Re: profitable hay in reply to old fashioned farmer, 12-17-2005 07:17:16  
Go slow at first. Learn and learn some more. You doing one thing right, you are learning right now by asking. Try to use your Brain not your feet. I would also say I see allot of hay farmers do one thing wrong. They cut a feild and if it gets wet they work on it until they get it baled??? If I cut say 5 acres and it get rained on and is only good for cow hay, an extra day or two in the field is not going to hurt it, already hurt. Now looking at the weather I see a nice weather pattern for haying I cut and make the better hay first, than if I get the time I bale the other hay, I look at it this way, top first cutting is about 2.50-3.00 a bale (35-45) and cow hay is about .75- 1.00 a bale. SO 1500.00 compaired to 300.00-500.00. Now I do not like to let the hay in the field but cow hay I sometime bale right on to the field and pick up in the mornings, if the wagons are full.

Teddy

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37 chief

12-17-2005 23:09:22




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 Re: profitable hay in reply to old fashioned farmer, 12-17-2005 07:17:16  
What works for me is I work nights. I have at least 6 hours of work time during the day to do my discing and mowing business. Maybe you can get a night job? Stan



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toomany cases

12-17-2005 16:29:05




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 Re: profitable hay in reply to old fashioned farmer, 12-17-2005 07:17:16  
To Old Fashioned Farmer, Would strongly suggest you read what kyhayman has to say. It will not be easy, but it worked for me over 60 years ago, & I know things have changed since then. But figure out where you want to go and plot & plan the points to get there, then stick with it and you will get there. Good Luck, Chuck



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730 virgil

12-17-2005 14:38:47




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 Re: profitable hay in reply to old fashioned farmer, 12-17-2005 07:17:16  
what these guys are saying makes lots of sense to me . i have a small herd of highland cattle ; i can't afford to raise the hay needed for them , but we have lots of hay in this area that is for sale too .



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Seth_ia

12-17-2005 13:52:19




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 Re: profitable hay in reply to old fashioned farmer, 12-17-2005 07:17:16  
Two words: Enterprise Budget. If the hay makes money invest and expand, if not get out of it unless you really enjoy it.



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Nebraska Cowman

12-17-2005 10:02:48




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 Re: profitable hay in reply to old fashioned farmer, 12-17-2005 07:17:16  
I wouldn't even think of adding more until what I had was turning a profit. If we are faithful with a little, God will give us more.



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John51

12-17-2005 09:03:00




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 Re: profitable hay in reply to old fashioned farmer, 12-17-2005 07:17:16  
With those hours it will be tough. Throw in a wet or dry summer and it's even worse, and it seems that's all we've had lately. I finally gave up on hay making. I sell it in the field to a dairy farmer who gets all the worries along with the hay. I don't need the equipment for it now, either. He can put it in the silo if it doesn't dry and looks like rain. I didn't have that option. I buy back what I need from him. That way I still keep hay in the rotation, have what I need, and worry about my other crops instead.

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kyhayman

12-17-2005 07:41:15




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 Re: profitable hay in reply to old fashioned farmer, 12-17-2005 07:17:16  
When I started in the hay business it was with an $1800 tractor, a rake that I bought at a junk auction in buckets, and a mower and baler that wasnt much better. Had under $10,000 in all of them. Spent a lot of time working on stuff. Also, I was a full time (15 hrs a semester) college student, and working for other people to cash flow my farm payment. All of my available credit was sucked up in the farm so borrowing more for equipment wasnt an option. I understand your frustration.

I couldnt do now what I did at 20 to make it work. Spend 30 hrs a week at class, another 20 working for someone, and at least 40 hrs a week farming. Cant reacll eating except in the cab of the truck or on the tractor. Summers, when I could make money hiring a custom operator to do something I did. I had people do my hay on shares while I did custom batwinging (if the economics were right). I tried to make sure I worked at it every day until dark, then went to the shop and worked on my junk. Paint is cheap and adds a lot of value. I'd fix up what ever piece of junk I was using, paint it that winter, sell it and try to buy something a little better with the profit. For 15 years I tried to put everything I made in the hay busineess back into the hay business; took a third of my paycheck to pay off the farm plus all the cow profits. It took time, and I hated being poor.

Things got better after about 10 years, farm was paid off, had pretty decent equipment by that time, and had my management system figured out. For the first time it came to a point that time was more limiting to me than money. I went a lot heavier with using custom operators (one guy cuts, rakes, rolls, and wraps 70 acres of alfalfa for me, for half and buys my half at $35 a roll at 50% moisture) This really helps me out since its the furthest field from my center of operations and is pretty mean getting big loads of wet hay out of it.

It sounds like you are working as hard as you can. Now its time to sit down and analyze where you want to go with your business, where you are now, and what is along the line to connect the dots.

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Coloken

12-17-2005 10:15:39




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 Re: profitable hay in reply to kyhayman, 12-17-2005 07:41:15  
For some time now, when kyhayman talks, I listen. He just did it again.



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Dave H (MI)

12-17-2005 09:21:11




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 Re: profitable hay in reply to kyhayman, 12-17-2005 07:41:15  
When I read this post I couldn't wait to jump in. But by the time I got done reading the post above by kyhayman, the only phrase that comes to mind is "yeah, what HE said".



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