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Chris Pritchard

12-14-2005 23:01:56




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We have a minneapolis moline UTS that had not ran for close to 5 years because it was flipped and needs serious mechanical work. (Just so you know, we just got the tractor 6 months ago. we did not flip it! :)

Anyway, the engine is starting to sieze. I was able to turn it over last july (actually breaking the pistons free, which started my suspisions)and could still move the engine in the fall.

last night, I tried to turn it over, but could not budge it with a 5-foot breaker bar in the belt pully. (I wonder if i'm too late. I'll try again in the morning when it's warmer.)

So, what is the best cure for a freashly siezed engine? I would prefer not to remove the heads until I'm ready to rebuild the thing. I filled two of the cyilenders with diesel before my deep socket gave out.

thanks in advance for any replies,

Chris

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Chris Pritchard

12-28-2005 17:22:07




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 Re: Keeping an engine free in reply to Chris Pritchard, 12-14-2005 23:01:56  
Yesterday, I was able to turn the Model U over (Which is a great relief). I'll dump some diesel into the remaining two cyilenders, and plug off the manifold.

Thanks for all the replys, everyone!



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clueless

12-20-2005 21:56:55




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 Re: Keeping an engine free in reply to Chris Pritchard, 12-14-2005 23:01:56  
Bought an old Graham (car) once; engine wouldn"t budge.Soaked cyls in kerosene for weeks;no help. The cure? It had a shaft-driven (off timing chain) water pump; it was the water pump that was rusted seized!! Freed the water pump, engine fine.Moral: check everything on engine that could be seized before assuming it something internal.



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JHesler

12-16-2005 17:15:14




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 Re: Keeping an engine free in reply to Chris Pritchard, 12-14-2005 23:01:56  
Chris:
Just about any petroleum based oil you want will do a good job. pour it in the spark plug holes and turn the engine over with the plugs out. What you want to do is lube the top end. If you want a real good oil for the job use machinists way lube. It sticks and doesn't evaporate.

Don't use brake fluid. It's not petroleum and it's hydroscopic which means it atracts water. Anyone who has dealt with pitted stuck rusted beyond hope brake cylinders would probably agree.

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Kirk K.

12-15-2005 18:48:13




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 Re: Keeping an engine free in reply to Chris Pritchard, 12-14-2005 23:01:56  
Brake Fluid. Those are 2 magic words. They work exellent. Just put brake fluid in a couple cylinders, wait a week until it gets warmer, spin her over. I have used this with quit a few tractors that were locked up. It has worked every time, Even when my 165 Massey was locked up. The guy said it was locked up for quit some time, A week after she was loose. Give this a try, it'll do wonders. Thanks

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colekicker

12-15-2005 10:38:33




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 Re: Keeping an engine free in reply to Chris Pritchard, 12-14-2005 23:01:56  
Diesel, it is thinner and can get through. After it is un-stuck, put some oil in they cylinders and turn her over each week.



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old

12-15-2005 08:01:16




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 Re: Keeping an engine free in reply to Chris Pritchard, 12-14-2005 23:01:56  
Fill the cylinders with tranny fluid right now. Take it from some one who gets locked up engine to run with out opening them up. Ya I do it all the time and have 2 or 4 tractors that I use that where locked up when I got them and all the more I have done to any of them is pull the valve cover off to free up a valve. Tranny fluid work fast and very well. Also if you going to leave any engie alone for a long time fill the cylinder with tranny fluid and in a year or 2 you can still turn them over.

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kirk / ihcollector

12-15-2005 05:09:04




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 Re: Keeping an engine free in reply to Chris Pritchard, 12-14-2005 23:01:56  
Pull the plugs and put ATF in. I found this works the best.



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Nolan

12-15-2005 05:02:19




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 Re: Keeping an engine free in reply to Chris Pritchard, 12-14-2005 23:01:56  
That's what fogging oil was created for.



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dan hill

12-15-2005 04:37:46




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 Re: Keeping an engine free in reply to Chris Pritchard, 12-14-2005 23:01:56  
I turn my JD H over often.If it does stick I jack up a back wheel and roll the wheel back and forth.no pry bars needed.



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old

12-15-2005 08:03:41




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 Re: Keeping an engine free in reply to dan hill, 12-15-2005 04:37:46  
Put some tranny fluid in the cylinder and you will not have that problem any more. Plus it will keep things from rusting in that engine if you do that.



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Nebraska Cowman

12-15-2005 03:52:31




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 Re: Keeping an engine free in reply to Chris Pritchard, 12-14-2005 23:01:56  
I pour diesel fuel down the exaust pipe. Bear in mind this time of year you may have ice in the crankcase oilpan. Real easy to beak the oil pump gear etc. I always try to remember to drain water off before winter. Check the transmission too. It's a shame to let a little water break something.



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Will- Tx.-Mn.

12-15-2005 02:00:35




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 Re: Keeping an engine free in reply to Chris Pritchard, 12-14-2005 23:01:56  
Chris,

i have an MM ut it had sat for a number of years,perhaps about six,as my uncle would start it by crank (hand) every once n awhile,but thus the crank mechanisum broke,and it didn't git started anymore,so when i got it,it was siezed.

i ended up opening the "inspection covers" on the ebngine block,and using a long pry bar,and pryed against some of the rod "throws" on the crankshaft and used the starter also,by "bumping" it, and it came loose

Then i started it,and it ran fine,now all i need is a new manifold,as you know they are "notorious" for rotting out,do you have one? or know where i can get one?

be safe out there

~Will

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ricedaddy

12-15-2005 01:22:08




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 Re: Keeping an engine free in reply to Chris Pritchard, 12-14-2005 23:01:56  
fill it with marvel mystery oil, just remember when you do try to turn it over to leave the spark plugs out until it turns freely
good luck
Ron



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