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Stan(PA)

12-05-2005 11:53:50




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I had a radiator recored about a year and a half ago. It`s for a Massey Pony, thermo-siphon type.
I neglected to mention to them that it was thermo-siphon, and now I`m wondering if it was recored correctly. How can I tell if it was recored for pressure system or thermo-siphon? Can it be used anyway? Sure hope I didn`t throw $300 down the drain .....Stan




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Mike M

12-06-2005 05:27:32




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 Re: Mighta` screwed up... in reply to Stan(PA), 12-05-2005 11:53:50  
None of the new cores match up size wise to the old ones as far as tube count and dia. so I doubt that you really have any choices. Just put it in and run it.



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Bus Driver

12-06-2005 04:51:38




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 Re: Mighta` screwed up... in reply to Stan(PA), 12-05-2005 11:53:50  
The tubes are larger for thermo-siphon radiators. One test would be to find the cooling system fill specifications for your tractor- it holds so many quarts as originally built. Then compare the present fill capacity to the original figure. If it is identical or very close, it almost certainly is OK.



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Stan(PA)

12-05-2005 14:32:36




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 Re: Mighta` screwed up... in reply to Stan(PA), 12-05-2005 11:53:50  
That`s right, no water pump, and unpressurized cap. I`m still a bit confused though. Are you guys saying that, as long as the tubes are running vertically it should be okay? I was worried that the "pressure cap" style core may not allow circulation with the thermo-siphon system. I also am not sure how to tell one core from the other. Thanks for bearing with me, I really appreciate it. ...Stan



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buickanddeere

12-05-2005 16:23:19




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 Re: Mighta` screwed up... in reply to Stan(PA), 12-05-2005 14:32:36  
You need a pressure cap to limit the amount of oxygen and carbon dioxide which gets into the cooling system and cause corrosion. That is high school chemistry. As for thermal siphon operation, just think back to high school physics class.



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buickanddeere

12-05-2005 14:23:27




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 Re: Mighta` screwed up... in reply to Stan(PA), 12-05-2005 11:53:50  
Vertical tubes for thermo-siphon.



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Bob/Ont

12-05-2005 14:03:48




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 Re: Mighta` screwed up... in reply to Stan(PA), 12-05-2005 11:53:50  
Thermo siphon to me means No Waterpump. Tube size would be important there. If over all tube opening area is equal it should be fine. Likely cool a lot better than what you had anyway.
Later Bob



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ejr-IA.

12-05-2005 13:45:51




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 Re: Mighta` screwed up... in reply to Stan(PA), 12-05-2005 11:53:50  
I think it is in the type of radiator cap you have presureized or none.



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Richard G.

12-06-2005 05:29:12




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 Re: Mighta` screwed up... in reply to ejr-IA., 12-05-2005 13:45:51  
Should not be a problem. I grew up on thermo siphon tractors. The hotter the water gets, the faster it will circulate.
I put a new flat tube radiator on my 17 Model T to replace the round tube one and have had no problems.
Just keep the radiator outside clean and the fan belt in good shape.



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J2

12-06-2005 09:35:04




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 Re: Mighta` screwed up... in reply to Richard G., 12-06-2005 05:29:12  
You might have screwed up. I put a new radiator in my Old JD A. The tubes were smaller and one less than the old radiator and the old gal would not thermo siphon enough coolant to operate the tractor for any chores. I had to find and install a johnson water pump.



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