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Flywheel inspection port.

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Sampson TE-20

11-29-2005 16:45:22




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I have a TE-20 serial no. 54627 that is supposed to have a flywheel inspection port on the distributor side of the engine to let you see the timing marks.I can't find it. Can someone tell me where it is? I thought maybe an older engine was put in my tractor.The serial no. on the engine is 40837A.Can anyone tell me what year it was made?I know my tractor was made in 1948.Thanks.




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Jerry/MT

11-29-2005 17:13:58




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 Re: Flywheel inspection port. in reply to Sampson TE-20, 11-29-2005 16:45:22  
I believe the TE-20 originally used the Continental Z-120 engine and just below the starter there is a hole about the size of a fifty cent piece. You can see the flywheel through the hole and this is where you observe the tmig marks . They index with the slot in the hole to your left as you are looking at the hole. Sometimes you might find a rubber plug in the hole but I've never seen one with ot

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Jerry/MT

11-29-2005 17:14:28




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 Re: Flywheel inspection port. in reply to Sampson TE-20, 11-29-2005 16:45:22  
I believe the TE-20 originally used the Continental Z-120 engine and just below the starter there is a hole about the size of a fifty cent piece. You can see the flywheel through the hole and this is where you observe the tmig marks . They index with the slot in the hole to your left as you are looking at the hole. Sometimes you might find a rubber plug in the hole but I've never seen one with it.

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Sampson TE-20

11-30-2005 17:45:09




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 Re: Flywheel inspection port. in reply to Jerry/MT, 11-29-2005 17:14:28  
I have looked under the starter and don't see any port.According to my shop manual after tractor serial no. 36151 there should be a port on that side of the engine but there isn't.That's what made me think that there might have been an engine change sometime in the past.The serial no. on the engine is 40837A.It would be interesting to know when it was made.Any thoughts or info would be appreciated.Thanks.

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Jerry/MT

11-30-2005 18:40:58




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 Re: Flywheel inspection port. in reply to Sampson TE-20, 11-30-2005 17:45:09  
Ah ha, I now have the explanation!

I looked in my Ferguson Shop manual under ignition timing and found the following note:

"Note: The TE-20 tractor is not provided with a timing hole and timing marks on the flywheel. Instead, timing marks were placedon the timing gear cover and on the crankshaft pulley, see Fig. 218. However, with the radiator and the shroud in place, the timing marks are inaccessable to a timing light. To make a toming mark that can be seen when using a timing light, proceed as follows:
Remove the No, 1 spark plug and crank the engine until No. 1 piston is on the compression stroke. Turn the crankshaftuntil the notch on the crankshaft pulley lines up with the D.C. mark on the timing gear cover. Select a point on the gear cover and pulley that can be seen with the timing light. Make permqnent matching marks with a chisel or punch as shown in Fig. 218. Looking at the pulley from the rear, measure counterclockwise 1-1/2 in., on the outside diameter of the pulley, from the first mark. Make a permant mark at this point. This second mark is the advance mark for 2000 rpm."

Sounds like a design screw up to me. Hope this helps you.

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RAB

12-01-2005 11:52:13




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 Re: Flywheel inspection port. in reply to Jerry/MT, 11-30-2005 18:40:58  
Firstly, we just need to remember this was a pre-existing car engine used in the tractor.
Secondly, who had a timing light in those days? Not many - my Oliver used a spark plug lead as a strobe light source for timing purposes.
Regards, RAB



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Jerry/MT

12-01-2005 17:22:02




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 Re: Flywheel inspection port. in reply to RAB, 12-01-2005 11:52:13  
Buy it originally had the timing mark hole in the casting! They probablly took it out to save money. They didn't have to mark the flywheel, didn't have to offset the hole in the flywheel and they didn't have to mold and then machine the hole in the block casting. They just had to cast a mark on the timing cover mark the crank pulley and index it to the crankshaft.



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J. Schwiebert

12-02-2005 16:31:23




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 Re: Flywheel inspection port. in reply to Jerry/MT, 12-01-2005 17:22:02  
A TE is a Standard engine: A TO is the continental engine and the O letter stands for overseas(export) My old ag supervisor from school has one of each. There are a lot of small differences. In England you will also finad A TD 20 (Diesel) Hope that helps explain some things:



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