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A non-corrosive tire fluid?

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in-too-deep

11-23-2005 07:59:49




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Why is it that that nasty Calcium Chloride is all I've heard of? I would think someone would be using something less destructive to the rims. Why not water and alcohol...why not water and anti-freeze. I'm puzzled.




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Hugh MacKay

11-24-2005 01:52:48




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 Re: A non-corrosive tire fluid? in reply to in-too-deep, 11-23-2005 07:59:49  
To start with calcium chloride has never been a problem for most commercial farmers. They wore a set of tires out in 5-7 years, pumped the chloride out, installed new tires and new stems on the tubes and pumped the chlorde back in. Most cleaned the rims and painted them each time.

The problem with chloride started when folks began low hour per year, use of older tractors. With that tires were on tractors 20 years and longer. Most of the leaks doing damage to rims have been caused by one type of leak, that being valve stem leak. The cure for this is plain good maintainence. If you are in this last catergory, about every 5-7 years, park the tractor with valve stem at top. Jack the tractor to take weight off tire. Remove and replace the center screw in stem, then re inflate the tire.

Another maintainence item done by farmers was in the event of a tire puncture, you cleaned the rim up and repainted it before re installing. Plain and simple guys, with good maintainence chloride will never destroy rims. I know of tractors over 50 years old original rims and have had chloride since new.

Most rim rust outs have been caused by tractors going for years with leaky valve stems. Small pin holes in tubes very quickly become flat tires.

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Ray

11-23-2005 17:51:20




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 Re: A non-corrosive tire fluid? in reply to in-too-deep, 11-23-2005 07:59:49  
No one uses fluid anymore in the newer tractors,they do it all with weights.Sooner or later fluid just causes problems and tire stores don't want to mess with it if you have a flat.



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Richard Scott

11-23-2005 16:32:07




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 Re: A non-corrosive tire fluid? in reply to in-too-deep, 11-23-2005 07:59:49  
Here's the link for RimGuard:

http://rimguard.biz/



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KIP in MX

11-23-2005 16:31:09




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 Re: A non-corrosive tire fluid? in reply to in-too-deep, 11-23-2005 07:59:49  
We used water and anti-freeze in tires for years and not one dead dog from it.



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Midwest redneck

11-23-2005 13:08:02




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 Re: A non-corrosive tire fluid? in reply to in-too-deep, 11-23-2005 07:59:49  
A guy I work with bought a new Kubota. The dealer put Beet Juice in the tires. Yes I said Beet Juice, I guess the dealer has whole big vat of the stuff for customers buying new tractors. I guess it is not corrosive. Call the Rosy bros. Kubota Dealer in Dryden Michigan and ask about it.



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Allan in NE

11-23-2005 14:29:22




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 Re: A non-corrosive tire fluid? in reply to Midwest redneck, 11-23-2005 13:08:02  
MR,

Beet juice may not be corrosive, but I guarantee ya it will sterilize any ground it sets on for anywhere from 7 to 10 years.

Been there and done that with silagein’ sugar beet tops.

Allan



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Dell (WA)

11-23-2005 10:16:48




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 Re: A non-corrosive tire fluid? in reply to in-too-deep, 11-23-2005 07:59:49  
in-too-deep..... .....Calcium Chloride (a salt and iron-eater) was and is very cheap anti-freeze and water-ballast weight inhancer. And while you can use "used anti-freeze", its cheap (sometimes free), its NOT recommended because dogs LOVE the sweet-taste and it will KILL DOGS.

Anti-freeze poisoning of dogs is "treatable" within 24hrs of ingestion, but expensive $400+. Usually you don't know yer dogs been anti-freezed until its too late for treatment and its a very agonizing and dis-hearting death to those that love their dog.

While Wal-Mart sells pre-mixed windshield washer by the gallon, (cheap, less than $1/gal)), clerks kinda look at you funny when you roll-up with 50 juggs of wiper-fluid.

MORE BETTER is "Rim-Gard", a sugerbeet pulp based ballast solution. Non-corrosive, non-poisonous, VERY-HEAVY non-freezeable ballast additive. Talk to yer AG-Tire dealer/installer..... ....Dell

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Old Pokey

11-23-2005 11:52:22




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 Thank you for the information. in reply to Dell (WA), 11-23-2005 10:16:48  
I did not know that anti-freeze poisoning was treatable if caught soon enough. Thanks for the info. I hope I dont ever have to use it, but I plan to get a couple new pups pretty soon, and that is some good info to have.....just in case.



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Tim B From MA

11-23-2005 10:05:53




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 Re: A non-corrosive tire fluid? in reply to in-too-deep, 11-23-2005 07:59:49  
A solution discussed in this forum many times, and familiar to my dad is beet juice. Supposed to be about as dense as CaCl solution, non-corrosive, low freezing temp. Beyond that I don't know much; cost, availability, etc. I would guess others will pipe in here soon.



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BobMo

11-23-2005 09:12:42




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 Re: A non-corrosive tire fluid? in reply to in-too-deep, 11-23-2005 07:59:49  
Here in South Central Missouri when I bought tires a year or so ago the tire dealer (Goodyear) told me they all dealers in this area had stopped using Calcium Chloride and were using Methanol (not expensive). He dumped the CC in mine and put Methanol in the new tires. Of course I now have a tank of CC that will probably never go away..



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old

11-23-2005 08:52:52




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 Re: A non-corrosive tire fluid? in reply to in-too-deep, 11-23-2005 07:59:49  
My self I use windsheild washer fluid, cheap safe and will not casue rust. If you do antifreeze then you have a health hazard to animals if you get a leak and it cost big $$ to use. Alos if you want to know how to fill them an easy way drop me an e-mail and I'll send you a page from a 1935 owners manual that tell you how to do it in a way you can do so and go to sleep as it does it.



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Tim in New York

11-23-2005 08:31:11




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 Re: A non-corrosive tire fluid? in reply to in-too-deep, 11-23-2005 07:59:49  
Not that its relevant, but I found this interesting. My JD lawn tractor had lousy traction. The dealer recommended loading the tires - and used windshield washer fluid! He does it all the time. Helped a great deal, but I could probably still use some wheel weights.

Tim in NY



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Steve in Mo.

11-23-2005 08:29:07




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 Re: A non-corrosive tire fluid? in reply to in-too-deep, 11-23-2005 07:59:49  
Had new tires put on my cub last month. The tire dealier here in Warrenton Mo. highly recommended windshield washer fluid. He said they have been using it over a year with good results.



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Red Dave

11-23-2005 08:27:25




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 Re: A non-corrosive tire fluid? in reply to in-too-deep, 11-23-2005 07:59:49  
Cacl keeps the water from freezing, but it also makes the water more dense therefore heavier per gallon so your overall ballast weight is greater.

Alcohol keeps the water from freezing, but it makes the water less dense therefore lighter per gallon so your overall ballast weight is less.

Unfortunatly, Cacl is extremely corrosive (after all it is concentrated salt water) and if it leaks it eats your rims. The trick is to not have any leaks.

Pluses & minuses for each, you make your choices and decide which is best for you.

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Walter Squires

11-23-2005 08:23:24




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 Re: A non-corrosive tire fluid? in reply to in-too-deep, 11-23-2005 07:59:49  
I have always used methonal alcohol mixed 1 part methonal to 3 part water, might need to go to stronger mixture up north.



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Errin OH

11-23-2005 08:18:46




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 Re: A non-corrosive tire fluid? in reply to in-too-deep, 11-23-2005 07:59:49  
Anti Freeze is poison and if spilled, unlike CC will attract animals and ki11 them. At $5-7 a gallon it’s not very cheap either. The pink stuff (RV) maybe? Again the cost. However it will not ki11 aminals. But the freezing point is pretty high (like 0 vs. -35) and would not be very effective. So short of something new CC was the most effective and cheapest.



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T_Bone

11-23-2005 08:50:50




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 Re: A non-corrosive tire fluid? in reply to Errin OH, 11-23-2005 08:18:46  
Hi Erin,

I've used propylene glycol (RV pink anti-freeze) in tires to resolve a tire balance problem. Works good as it won't attack rubber nor steel and safe as they also use PG as a food preservitive.

Some auto anti-freeze is now PG based so the cheap auto parts houses carry it.

T_Bone



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RAB

11-23-2005 12:56:32




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 Re: A non-corrosive tire fluid? in reply to T_Bone, 11-23-2005 08:50:50  
T_Bone,
I was just scanning down this thread to see if anyone had addressed the toxicity problem by suggesting MPG (Mono propylene glycol) - which is, as you say, a food grade chemical. Must not use DPG (di- version) in food grade products. Good on yer! You were the only one.
MPG is widely used as an antifreeze in, say, solar water heaters (in pipes to the heat exchanger in the domestic tank). Just that loss of density over Ca Cl2.
But, of course, for a lot of our older tractors, they used to fit heavy cast iron rims which added some weight to the outfit, but everyone wanted(?) the light "tin plate" wheels from the fifties and sixties onwards. Make "em light and then add weight... well at least there is a choice.
Screenwash contains either methanol (toxic) and propyl alcohol as antifreeze generally so everyone can choose their own poison.
Me? I would be like you and use MPG.
Regards, RAB

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Jerry A.

11-23-2005 08:14:11




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 Re: A non-corrosive tire fluid? in reply to in-too-deep, 11-23-2005 07:59:49  
The calcium chloride has a very low freezing point and adds weight to the water, but is very corrosive. It's "relatively" cheap. Just make sure to fix leaks right away.

I'm going to put windshield washer fluid in the tires on my Kubota L3010 instead of the CaCl solution. It will cost about $150 for the solution and not counting the labor to do it. Yeah, I could gain a few more pounds by going with the CaCl solution, but I don't want the corrosive solution in that tractor (my AC 175 already has the CaCl solution, and no leaks yet!).
Regular antifreeze solution could be kinda cashy, depending on the size of the tires.

Some folks only want wheel weights and won't mess with fluid in the tires. Weights can be a real pain to remove, so there's no perfect solution to getting more weight on the tractor or in the tires.

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KRUSS

11-23-2005 12:30:45




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 Re: A non-corrosive tire fluid? in reply to Jerry A., 11-23-2005 08:14:11  
I have always found it easier and quicker to take wheel weights on or off than fluid in or out. A lot of tractors have a way more ballast than they need, wastes fuel which in my part of the world we pay a lot for.



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GSS

11-23-2005 09:48:53




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 Re: A non-corrosive tire fluid? in reply to Jerry A., 11-23-2005 08:14:11  
I have also put windshield washer fluid in my Cub 7360. Shop around for the best price and ask the manager to make you a deal on 100 galons. I got mine for $0.70/gln at a local store that was going out of business.



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504

11-23-2005 20:45:54




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 Re: A non-corrosive tire fluid? in reply to GSS, 11-23-2005 09:48:53  
Here is a question I have not heard here before,would cc still corrode if you then aired the tires up with nitrogen?



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RandyR

11-24-2005 18:55:50




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 Re: A non-corrosive tire fluid? in reply to 504, 11-23-2005 20:45:54  
N2?? What an idea. I think it would work. Here's why. I work in an oil refinery, and when we shut down a piece of equipment we always purge it out with N2. The reason- to prevent corrosion problems.



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