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Robhkent

11-22-2005 18:14:14




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OK, I figure one of you guys out there has had this problem. A couple of days ago the toilet started not flushing right. I plunged it, then snaked it. No problem with toilet. Pulled toilet, down pipe clean, and would take water OK. New wax seal, toilet back in place. Also when the sink or bathtub is drained, you here gurgle gurgle through the toilet. I did some checking around, all these are symptons of a plugged vent pipe. OK, I attempted to snake my vent pipe last night after dark, no luck and discovered bats in the attic.....I gave up on that with bats flying around...dark, wind blowing, on a ladder, etc... Yes I considered them in the vent pipe... Today the bathroom system appears to be air locked, nothing wanting to go down any of the three drains. Just to be sure I poured drain cleaner down the tub to clear anything there.. currently waiting on that to work. I cannot get a snake down the bathtub drain, it has a 90 that I can't get past, same with the sink (common drain). Finally my question. Has anyone tried one of these things that force water down the drain?? I have about 60psi at the sink, and really do not want the mess of a blown pipe, under house w no basement etc... I have thought about buying some small 1/2" hose and running that down the vent pipe.. Any one had this problem and solved it without spending $$$$$$$$$$

Rob

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wdtom

11-25-2005 12:28:24




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 Re: OT Plumbing Longgg Post in reply to Robhkent, 11-22-2005 18:14:14  
If the level in your septic tank is too high, from needing to be pumped or being plugged up, it can cause this to happen.



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T_Bone

11-23-2005 08:41:11




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 Re: OT Plumbing Longgg Post in reply to Robhkent, 11-22-2005 18:14:14  
Hi Rob,

Ya I had a bad plug up at the septic pipe entrance this summer. So what I did is I have a 3/8"x 50ft snake and I ran the last 10ft into a piece of 1/2"emt then chucked the tail in a drill motor. This kept the snake from balling up as I fed it into the pipe. Takes two people but we got the job done.

Geez I hate sewer problems.

Vinegar will decompose all solids and TP in about 48hrs depending on temperature. I use 1-cup vinegar per 25gal in my RV black tank. I never use commerical chemicals. Been using vinegar for the past 20yrs.

My FIL was a plumber and the day we burried him, you guessed it, the plumbing stopped up. We still laugh about that.

T_Bone

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CB in central NY

11-23-2005 06:55:31




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 Re: OT Plumbing Longgg Post in reply to Robhkent, 11-22-2005 18:14:14  
I know where you are coming from; I had an exact same problem a few years back. It wasn"t the toilet or the vent, it turned out to be the drain to the septic (the house is a 100+ year-old farmhouse). I found the septic tank about a foot undergound by using a pointed metal probe (I knew roughly where it should be). Then I dug (by hand) a hole to access a section of the drain pipe going to the tank (no clenout plug on that either), cut the pipe and snaked a smaller-diameter pipe through. Imagine what I cleaned out! Bottom line, the drain line collapsed close to the septic tank and had to be replaced (not too deep, didn"t need a backhoe). Later I also hooked my washer drain to the septic line and it acts kind of like a "power wash" now. Not much fun, but if the pipes aren"t too deep, it"s not that bad. Good luck.

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Maark

11-23-2005 06:08:21




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 Re: OT Plumbing Longgg Post in reply to Robhkent, 11-22-2005 18:14:14  
I think you need to get a tiling probe, and find your septic tank and have it pumped out. Some of those older septic tank systems used a series of 3 large clay tile in a row. Probably only a foot below ground surface and not far from the house. If you can't find a tiling probe, you can make one out of a 5/16" rod. Weld a t-handle on one end and am old ball bearing on the other. About 3 and a 1/2 feet long.

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Robhkent

11-23-2005 04:49:11




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 Re: OT Plumbing Longgg Post in reply to Robhkent, 11-22-2005 18:14:14  
The inspections T...old house no inspection T. Septic system, Grandma & Grandad lived here since the early 50's me since the the mid 90's. Grandparents have passed, Mom and Dad have no idea where the septic system is....

I think I will try to rent a power snake on Friday and send that down the vent pipe, then bathub etc.. until I clear the blockage...hopefully I won't have to deal with the bats again!

Thanks everyone for the ideas and advice.

Rob

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Vern-MI

11-23-2005 11:51:44




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 Re: OT Plumbing Longgg Post in reply to Robhkent, 11-23-2005 04:49:11  
Some of the older plumbing systems used a "P-trap" that resembled a large diameter vertical pipe with an entry on one side lower than the exit on the other side. You will never get a snake through this one. On a newer system you can run the snake in through the stopper mechanism to get past the 90 degree joint at the tub drain.

With everything plugged it appears that you have a blockage further downstream so it affects everything, all devices, upstream. Probably the pipe to the septic tank is plugged or the septic tank is plum full.

Our first house was very old and it had what appeared to be a big cement mixing tub placed upside down over a gravel filled pit. The sewage drained into the tub and filtered out through the gravel. Sure surprised us when we dug it up as it had worked that way for quite a few years.

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TomR Ont.

11-23-2005 00:25:32




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 Re: OT Plumbing Longgg Post in reply to Robhkent, 11-22-2005 18:14:14  
Rob, a similar problem happened to me, a few years back we had a lot of company.
Eight females in all (I should have bought stock in Charmin) went through a lot of toilet paper that long weekend.
The septic isn’t in the ground far enough to have a good slope on the pipe. It seems the septic had the normal crust but with the extra paper it wasn’t sinking fast enough or it froze, maybe both, had a real cold snap that weekend.

Oh I guess the four guys didn’t help the situation any.

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TomR Ont.

11-23-2005 00:46:12




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 Re: OT Plumbing Longgg Post in reply to TomR Ont., 11-23-2005 00:25:32  
Sorry I forgot, it was time to have it sucked out, everything worked fine after that, do it every two - three years now.
Well it may be four to five years with the new septic rules they are talking about, the septic guy just spread it on his 100 acre field 5 miles down the road, if passed he will have to take it 45 miles to a sewage treatment plant, the extra charges will triple the $80 now.

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Blue guy

11-22-2005 20:38:27




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 Re: OT Plumbing Longgg Post in reply to Robhkent, 11-22-2005 18:14:14  
I would make sure the drain is clear to the septic or sewer(which ever you have) first. You should have an inspection tee on the last straight run out of the house. Most will have a threaded plug you can remove on the back side of the tee. Remove the plug very careful. If it is in the last leg of the drain you will find out when you remove the plug.:>) Then you can inspect the drain. Be prepared for lots of water and such!

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Joe Evans

11-22-2005 19:33:08




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 Re: OT Plumbing Longgg Post in reply to Robhkent, 11-22-2005 18:14:14  
Don't pressurize the drain system with any figure approaching 5 PSI! Anything more than than that and you'll blow traps off your sinks and you'll have a mess. Consider that some municipalities have a fit when water pressure exceeds 80 PSI on the domestic water system in a house or building--they make you put pressure reducing valves in the system.

Sounds like you have a vent problem, and it appears you gave up on trying to clear the vent with all the bats and such. (Can't say I blame you!)

The vent blockage will likely be minor and can be cleared fairly easily.

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