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O.T. Rifle scope problems

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old

11-16-2005 15:41:23




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Seems that my scope slips a little when I shoot. Sighted it in just before deer season. Well got one the other day but today I missed one. I think its shoot high but not sure. Looks like the scope has sliped back just a little. So how do you stop a scope from doing this?? I'm thinking about takeing it off and then putting some silocone on the mounts and then put it back on and sight it in. So do you guys have any ideas? Thanks

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Punchie

11-17-2005 06:15:32




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 Re: O.T. Rifle scope problems( loctight ) in reply to old, 11-16-2005 15:41:23  
HI

We shoot some big guns with higher than average recoil. 300's, 300's altra, 375 , and some shotguns with hand loaded slugs.

We always loctight, every screw, and the mounts to base, the rings to scope. One thing also make sure you heat the gun a little to take it apart if you need to. Set in a car in the sun or in the car with heater on, the loctight will loose up just a little. Loctight will not damage the scope and the WARRANTY.

WE started to do this after we had some friends bring us there guns to sight in, funny things is you can spend 400-up for the rifle, and 100-up for the scope, but when it comes to mounts most are not the best.

Teddy

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Mechanical Mike

11-17-2005 04:55:44




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 Re: O.T. Rifle scope problems in reply to old, 11-16-2005 15:41:23  
Try using a small piece of fine sandpaper instead of duct tape or metal shims.



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JDMAN60

11-17-2005 04:12:52




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 Re: O.T. Rifle scope problems in reply to old, 11-16-2005 15:41:23  
Any time I mount a scope I have a bottle of clear finger nail polish that I coat the rings ( top and bottom )with. and I also put a little drop on each of the screws in the mount and the rings.Make sure everything is tight and wait a day to shoot. The clear nail polish creates an invisible seal between the parts and works like glue to hold it together. Never had a scope move yet. Good luck Willy

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Rauville

11-16-2005 19:35:34




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 Re: O.T. Rifle scope problems in reply to old, 11-16-2005 15:41:23  
Years ago on a elk hunting trip to Colo. I stopped to make sure my old Winchester Model 70 375 H&H mag was still sighted in. On the 4th shot, the entire scope, rings, and base fell off. It had sheared the base screws off. I went to an old gunsmith in Ft.Collins, and he drilled out the broken screws in the receiver. Before he mounted the scope back in the rings, he put a couple of light center punch marks in the bottom half of the rings. He said the scope was moving in the rings, and that caused the problem. Must of worked, because I never had it happen again.

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Coloken

11-16-2005 20:49:32




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 Re: O.T. Rifle scope problems in reply to Rauville, 11-16-2005 19:35:34  
Old gunsmith in Fort Collins? That had to be Claude.
A great fellow. Taught me how to cut a chamber.
I had good luck with using the lindseed oil stock finisher under the rings. Cheap mounts are wortless.
Kennyp



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Davis In SC

11-16-2005 19:41:05




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 Re: O.T. Rifle scope problems in reply to Rauville, 11-16-2005 19:35:34  
I bet that rifle is worth keeping... Pre 64 ?? Hope you still have it...



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Mr Bill No. Mn.

11-16-2005 19:27:54




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 Re: O.T. Rifle scope problems in reply to old, 11-16-2005 15:41:23  
Hey Old - You clued me in to something. Where and how does your scope attach to your sks. I have one and its a chinese make. The scope mounts to 2 of the boles that mount the cover on the top of the recoil cover. They have a tendency to loosen up. I have the same problem with mine. Shoot at a target from a bench and will hit high one shot and right on the nest time. I feel I"m getting impatient pulling the trigger. It takes forever to fire. Feels like I have to pull the trigger a half inche before it fires. I end up jerking the trigger which raises the rifle barrel. Got to pull it apart and work on the detent to get more of a hair trigger. Just a thought as we have the same problem.-Bill

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Mr Bill No. Mn.

11-16-2005 19:27:45




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 Re: O.T. Rifle scope problems in reply to old, 11-16-2005 15:41:23  
Hey Old - You clued me in to something. Where and how does your scope attach to your sks. I have one and its a chinese make. The scope mounts to 2 of the boles that mount the cover on the top of the recoil cover. They have a tendency to loosen up. I have the same problem with mine. Shoot at a target from a bench and will hit high one shot and right on the nest time. I feel I"m getting impatient pulling the trigger. It takes forever to fire. Feels like I have to pull the trigger a half inche before it fires. I end up jerking the trigger which raises the rifle barrel. Got to pull it apart and work on the detent to get more of a hair trigger. Just a thought as we have the same problem.-Bill

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Mr Bill No. Mn.

11-16-2005 19:30:13




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 Re: O.T. Rifle scope problems in reply to Mr Bill No. Mn., 11-16-2005 19:27:45  
oops



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kelly Campbell

11-16-2005 19:16:41




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 Re: O.T. Rifle scope problems in reply to old, 11-16-2005 15:41:23  
My uncle and grandfather always use lock tite on the scope mount screws, I guess it works, never hear of any complaints as far as scopes movinng. I think that they also use weaver scope mounts as well, If it matters any. Anyways, hope this tid bit helps

Take care and happy hunting,

KC



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Keith-OR

11-16-2005 18:46:45




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 Re: O.T. Rifle scope problems in reply to old, 11-16-2005 15:41:23  
Old before you go taking the scope off your rifle or moving it in the rings, setup a target at 25yds ,providing you are shooting standard Calib. and not a Mag.,this will be the same zero as 100 yds.Then see if you are still zeroed. I would not use duck tape, as it is to thick and you could bend the scope tube and then have a bigger problem than you have now. Scope rings are meant to have a real close tolerance, so make sure screws are tight. If you can't get things tightened down where scope doesn't move, you can either change rings or take to a gunsmith..

Keith

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Keith-OR

11-16-2005 22:14:30




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 Re: O.T. Rifle scope problems in reply to Keith-OR, 11-16-2005 18:46:45  
Old, you can shim your rings. If you don't have any shim stock use heavy aluminum foil cut to the width of your rings.Put the shims under the top half (on top of scope) of you rings. I would avoid center punching lower half of mounting rings, if you don't get same amount rise on both front and rear ring, would have the tendancy to warp scope tube.

Keith



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old

11-16-2005 18:51:53




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 Re: O.T. Rifle scope problems in reply to Keith-OR, 11-16-2005 18:46:45  
Its an SKS and I know its moveing. Thats why I figured on useing some silicone to sort of glue it in place. I hate to miss a good easy shoot



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John *.?-!.* cub owner

11-16-2005 19:15:54




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 Re: O.T. Rifle scope problems in reply to old, 11-16-2005 18:51:53  
My own peronal experience inicates you can't keep a scope in place on an SKS, and it has been verfied by several experienced shooters I know. The screws in the mounts work loose after several shots, even Loctite won't stop it.



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kyhayman

11-16-2005 18:36:44




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 Re: O.T. Rifle scope problems in reply to old, 11-16-2005 15:41:23  
One and only time I ever had a scope to slip was when my eyebrow made contact with the scope (and 5 stitches for evidence). That'll make 'er slip, lol. My head shoved it all the way to the rear sight (700 Remmington)). I liked it so well there after I healed up that I left it and resighted. I also lightened the recoil a lot on it with different powder while into it. Nothing fancy about the scope, its a Simmons 3x9 in Weaver mounts. That was 20 years and 31 deer ago, still shoots true.

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kyhayman

11-16-2005 18:36:36




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 Re: O.T. Rifle scope problems in reply to old, 11-16-2005 15:41:23  
One and only time I ever had a scope to slip was when my eyebrow made contact with the scope (and 5 stitches for evidence). That'll make 'er slip, lol. My head shoved it all the way to the rear sight (700 Remmington)). I liked it so well there after I healed up that I left it and resighted. I also lightened the recoil a lot on it with different powder while into it. Nothing fancy about the scope, its a Simmons 3x9 in Weaver mounts. That was 20 years and 31 deer ago, still shoots true.

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Keith-OR

11-16-2005 19:09:31




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 Re: O.T. Rifle scope problems in reply to kyhayman, 11-16-2005 18:36:36  
Hey Kyhayman, the only problem with Simmons scopes, is that they have to short of eye relief, need to get to close to eye piece it to obtain full field of view. Just don't work to well on the magnums, BIL found this out hard way, kept biting him between the eyes...I LMAO at him...All my highpower hunting rifles have Leupold scopes and mounts. Not that they are any better, just my preferance. It always comes down to what works best for you!!

Keith

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MarkB_MI

11-16-2005 18:30:10




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 Re: O.T. Rifle scope problems in reply to old, 11-16-2005 15:41:23  
This is a common problem with the cheaper scope mounts in rifles with heavy recoil. The best solution is to stick with high-quality rings and a good scope. You should locktite the screws (green locktite) also.

Before you jump to any conclusions, take your rifle down to the range and shoot a box of ammo from the bench. If you can't get it to hold within a couple inches at 100 yards something is seriously wrong. You can tell if the mounts are slipping by marking the spot where the ring sits on the scope.

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Ken Crisman

11-16-2005 17:59:10




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 Re: O.T. Rifle scope problems in reply to old, 11-16-2005 15:41:23  
Hey Old , a trick my Father in law showed me was to not put a bullet in the action . Set yourself up with the rifle as if you're going to shoot ; but have someone lay a dime on top of the scope just before you dry fire at the target . But you must hold as steady as if you're shooting at a target & dry fire it . If the dime stays on the scope , that'll prove if you're jerking as you shoot . It sure woke me up to the fact I was jerking the trigger instead of pulling . Ken

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Davis In SC

11-16-2005 19:50:39




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 Re: O.T. Rifle scope problems in reply to Ken Crisman, 11-16-2005 17:59:10  
Good advice... years ago, I really got into target shooting with a 44 Mag S&W, Quite a few times , I kept one ragged bullseye hole at 50 feet. I was shooting 500 plus rounds a week, then.. When my pattern started getting wild, I would leave one hole in the cylinder empty... that will teach you not to flinch or pull...



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Don L C

11-16-2005 17:15:33




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 Re: O.T. Rifle scope problems in reply to old, 11-16-2005 15:41:23  
OLd

If you think the scope moved.....remove scope, place a small strip of duct tape on the lower half of the rings..... trim it to fit before you lay it in there....replace the scope and screw the top half back on.....do not put tape on both haves, you could crush the scope tube....take the time to make sure the cross hairs are level with the rifle.....cross tighten the scope screws, as the screws being tightened will twist the scope(cross hairs)out of level.....

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RayP(MI)

11-16-2005 16:45:55




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 Re: O.T. Rifle scope problems in reply to old, 11-16-2005 15:41:23  
Is it a quality scope? Some of the cheapies have been known to shift cross hairs, etc. I use loctite on all my scope screws, and usually will mount scope in silicone gasket sealant where the rings enclose the scope. I"d take a few carefully controled target shots off a sandbag before tearing into things unless the scope or mounts are obviously loose. Of course, if you dismount it, and remount it, you"ll want to sight it in again.

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kraig WY

11-16-2005 16:18:32




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 Re: O.T. Rifle scope problems in reply to old, 11-16-2005 15:41:23  
A lot of scopes need shimmed in the mounts, you can mike it to tell. its a simple fix.



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Jeff Oliver

11-16-2005 16:01:35




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 Re: O.T. Rifle scope problems in reply to old, 11-16-2005 15:41:23  
before you start taking it apart take it somewhere and shoot at a target and amke sure it is still zeroed or not. If all it did was slip backwards or forwards in the rings it should have moved enough to miss a deer. Check all of the screws and make sure they are good and tight. If everything is tigh and the scope still slips in the rings take them apart and put a small pices of brass shim stock or aluminum foil or something in there to tighten the rings up a little. Doesn't take alot and I have had to do it once or twice

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Davis in SC

11-16-2005 16:00:34




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 Re: O.T. Rifle scope problems in reply to old, 11-16-2005 15:41:23  
Often there is little contact between the rings & the scope... Try slipping a piece of paper between the rings & tube, to check the contact. I have put a drop of blue Loctite on the surface of the lower rings, then installed the scope, & tightened things down well. I had to do this on a .223 Contender barrel, never had any more problems...



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Mr Bill No. Mn.

11-16-2005 15:59:45




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 Re: O.T. Rifle scope problems in reply to old, 11-16-2005 15:41:23  
Are you sure you aren"t jerking the gun? That would make you shoot high. Don"t ask me how I know. - Bill



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Rod in Smiths Falls, ON,

11-16-2005 15:47:44




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 Re: O.T. Rifle scope problems in reply to old, 11-16-2005 15:41:23  
I'll trade you the scope you blame for missing a buck for the one I blame for missing a buck. Deal?

Actually mine just left before the bullet got there. Nothing wrong with the shot. Grin.



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