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New Kid on the block: Why is live PTO important?

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Joe Hill

11-12-2005 14:38:42




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Looking to buy first tractor. I understand why live hydraulics is important, but when does live PTO come into play?




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frank kovarick

11-15-2005 21:52:52




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 Re: New Kid on the block: Why is live PTO importan in reply to Joe Hill, 11-12-2005 14:38:42  
Sort of the same with live PTO and hydraulics. Take a Ford 8N with a bush hog and get into tough stuff. To keep the engine running one pushes in the clutch which stops the bush hog dead and binds it up. To free it, one has to take the trans out of gear and let the clutch out so the hydraulics work and will pick up the bush hog and move to a lesser resistance.



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Joe Hill

11-12-2005 17:28:06




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 Re: New Kid on the block: Why is live PTO importan in reply to Joe Hill, 11-12-2005 14:38:42  
Thanks for the education, fellas! From what you are saying, I gather that for certain implements I would need live or independent PTO--such as log splitter, post-hole digger, etc. Otherwise the tractor would have to be moving to operate a stationary attachment, is that correct?



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Keith-OR

11-12-2005 19:17:56




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 Re: New Kid on the block: Why is live PTO importan in reply to Joe Hill, 11-12-2005 17:28:06  
NO Joe, when running stationary equipment as you ask about live PTO is not necessary, since the tractor tranmission would be in neutral and PTO engaged to run your stationary equipment.

Keith



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john d

11-12-2005 18:30:54




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 Re: New Kid on the block: Why is live PTO importan in reply to Joe Hill, 11-12-2005 17:28:06  
Not really. The pto in either setup may be operated with or without forward movement. In the "live pto" setup, the power is always available to be applied to the pto whenever the tractor engine is running, by simply pulling the lever.
In the "non-live" pto arrangement, the power is available when the engine is running and the clutch is not depressed or dis-engaged. In order to engage the pto, the clutch pedal must be pushed, then the pto shifted into operation. The pto will not start unless the clutch pedal is released. In the "non-live" setup, you can have the pto running with or without forward motion, but you can't stop forward motion and leave the pto running. If you stop the forward motion with the clutch, the power to the pto is also stopped. The hazard some have mentioned with this system is the tendency of a large rotating mass such as a bush hog mower to keep rotating when you push the clutch. The clutch dis-engages the engine, but since the transmission gears and pto are all driven by the same shaft, the pto will drive the transmission gears if the pto and whatever it's hooked to keep rotating. You can solve this problem by adding an "over-running" clutch at the end of the tractor pto shaft. They cost about $50 or so. This item will let the implement keep rotating but will not allow power to be returned to the tractor by the pto shaft.
For running a log splitter, a post hole auger, or a grain elevator, either pto system will work fine. For applications where you might want to interrupt forward motion while leaving the pto runing - as with a hay baler, live pto is far superior. Live pto also allows starting or stopping the implement as needed without interrupting forward motion.
The two arrangements are essentially the pto equivalents of the live, and non-live hydraulic systems.

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Joe(TX)

11-13-2005 19:26:03




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 Re: New Kid on the block: Why is live PTO importan in reply to john d, 11-12-2005 18:30:54  
That was a good explantion John. It pretty much said it all.



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Joe Hill

11-12-2005 20:12:01




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 Re: New Kid on the block: Why is live PTO importan in reply to john d, 11-12-2005 18:30:54  
Got it, thanks for taking the time to explain!



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Chuck (CA)

11-12-2005 19:04:48




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 Re: New Kid on the block: Why is live PTO importan in reply to john d, 11-12-2005 18:30:54  
One of the best explanations I"ve ever read.



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Chuck (CA)

11-12-2005 18:57:55




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 Re: New Kid on the block: Why is live PTO importan in reply to john d, 11-12-2005 18:30:54  
One of the best explanations I"ve ever read.



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Leland

11-12-2005 16:00:32




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 Re: New Kid on the block: Why is live PTO importan in reply to Joe Hill, 11-12-2005 14:38:42  
A live pto will not kill you asd fast ,a guy using a old M was shoved over a bank and killed bacause the bush hog pushed him off it .



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Leland

11-12-2005 16:00:12




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 Re: New Kid on the block: Why is live PTO importan in reply to Joe Hill, 11-12-2005 14:38:42  
A live pto will not kill you asd fast ,a guy using a old M was shoved over a bank and killed bacause the bush hog pushed him off it .



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Hugh MacKay

11-12-2005 15:55:25




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 Re: New Kid on the block: Why is live PTO importan in reply to Joe Hill, 11-12-2005 14:38:42  
Joe: A lot depends on what you intend doing with tractor and more particularly the pto. If you have no use for pto the it really doesn't matter. If in fact you are doing work as mentioned by John and old then live pto becomes quite important, especially when the pto load is quite demanding. Then you have other chores like spreading manure, sickle mowers, and other light applications, where live pto not so important.

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old

11-12-2005 15:38:44




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 Re: New Kid on the block: Why is live PTO importan in reply to Joe Hill, 11-12-2005 14:38:42  
As John says. Its not fun when your brush hogging and push the clutch in and your pushed 30 feet because the hog is still spining thats why live pto is nice. Seen more then one tractor in a ditch or up a tree because of not haveing live pto.



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John T

11-12-2005 15:21:07




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 Re: New Kid on the block: Why is live PTO importan in reply to Joe Hill, 11-12-2005 14:38:42  
Joe, just wait till you try to mow or bale hay or brush hog and you will then quicky realize the advantages of LIVE PTO. With Live PTO (it keeps turning even though you engage tractor clutch to stop moving) you can ease into a wet or heavy grass spot or a thick wet windrow to keep the mower or hog or baler running while the tractor slows down or even stops moving.

Its really a good thing to have if you use the tractor with PTO loads, although farmers got by without it for years and still do and can.

John T

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TomTX

11-12-2005 14:46:32




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 Re: New Kid on the block: Why is live PTO importan in reply to Joe Hill, 11-12-2005 14:38:42  
Joe, read the post titled "Dependent PTO" and all its answers on bottom of page 3 or 4 of this forum. That will explain everything to you.
Tom



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