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mitchp

11-04-2005 06:46:00




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I hate to ask this questions esp since i've plowed for years and years but i'm not used to plowing 2 ways in a field....plowing each direction, when you do that you throw your dirt to the right one way, and to the left the next, question is...when i get in the middle and the furrows meet i'm gonnna have a gulley there, how do i get that out and leveled up? i was thinkin i would have to go back over what i've plowed and throw it back over lightly to cover it up, is this a good method?

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farmallman

11-05-2005 14:35:49




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 Re: plowing in reply to mitchp, 11-04-2005 06:46:00  
When you say "i"m not used to plowing 2 ways in a field", i assume u r using a roll over plow, right?

Well, we use a standard plow and my dad always does the starting and finishing (i"m 19 and still in school...and learing the art of plowing) and i mean art..it takes skill and patience....



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Mn Dave

11-05-2005 05:10:14




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 Re: plowing in reply to mitchp, 11-04-2005 06:46:00  
I always do what my dad learnt me, start a landing by plowing a strip together, not so deep with the front bottom so it stays as level as possible, then keep plowing around until the strip is about 40 paces wide, then go over about 80 paces and start another strip by plowing it together again, when this strip is 40 paces wide start going around in between the two strips you already have plowed, then you will end up with a dead furrow in the middle of the 3 strips. It is best to keep the dead furrow as shallow as possible. OK, then the next year you do the opposite, try and keep a record, or most of the times you can see evidence of the dead furrow and plow your first strip together at that point and keep going that way. It has worked for me for many years and that way you keep your fields level as possible. Today with the large farms chiseling is the preference of fall tillage in the midwest. Plowing takes skill, not like the big rippers, just drop it in the ground and go.

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hilo

11-04-2005 15:19:20




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 Re: plowing in reply to mitchp, 11-04-2005 06:46:00  
with that 966 you got enough power to just plow in a circle..start in center plow out!!!!



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Mike Van

11-04-2005 13:55:41




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 Re: plowing in reply to mitchp, 11-04-2005 06:46:00  
mitch, I always switched every year, plow out, then in. A good disc harrow will help fill that dead furrow in the middle too.



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VADAVE

11-04-2005 10:21:54




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 Re: plowing in reply to mitchp, 11-04-2005 06:46:00  
Everyone has given you some good suggestions.
I raise the tail wheel all the way up and adust the 3-pt so that I just catch enough dirt to fill in the huge furrow.
Another suggestion that I find works really well is the start in the center of the field and the second pass offest just enough to roll the dirt outside the roll of the first pass. The extra pile of dirt isn't so high the disc can't smooth it back down.

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Jeff Wenner

11-04-2005 09:12:44




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 Re: plowing in reply to mitchp, 11-04-2005 06:46:00  
Around here we call that a dead furrow. We just leave it in the middle and next year start plowing in the middle, plow it shut and end up with a dead furrow on each side when you're done.



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Scotmac

11-04-2005 09:12:22




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 Re: plowing in reply to mitchp, 11-04-2005 06:46:00  
I plow the furrow clear out, then do as you have said. I go back and you'll have to raise your three point and tail wheel accordingly, and plow it back shut. It will take two rounds to get it fairly level.



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Allan in NE

11-04-2005 08:08:39




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 Re: plowing in reply to mitchp, 11-04-2005 06:46:00  
Darnit Mitch!

If you'd send me 'bout 3" of rain, I'd go out and see if I could figure this out. :>)

Otherwise, guess I'm gonna have to break down and grease up those shares, so the old plow can set for another winter doin' nothin'. :>(

Allan

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dave from MN

11-04-2005 17:05:01




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 Re: plowing in reply to Allan in NE, 11-04-2005 08:08:39  
Geez Allen, How many acres/ hour can ya get done with that roll plow. I was plowing ALL day with 7-18's on 1/2-3/4 mile feilds. Seems to take for ever. How many acres do you have to plow?



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Allan in NE

11-05-2005 03:58:46




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 Re: plowing in reply to dave from MN, 11-04-2005 17:05:01  
Hi Dave,

My problem isn't the darned plow; it is the soil moisture so I can get the plow in the ground. :>(

I've got another good 50 acres of sod and 35 or 40 acres of regular ground to flip and it is looking more and more like I'm running out of daylight for this year.

I was so in hopes of getting the sod turned under this fall so that it would melt over winter. However, seems I'm gonna be very busy next spring.

Allan

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mitchp

11-04-2005 08:29:20




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 Re: plowing in reply to Allan in NE, 11-04-2005 08:08:39  
gosh what a field, here in the mountains our fields are not very big so a 10 acre field is good size around here. we need some rain too, rained all summer then the end of august it stopped and is dusty dry now. what kind of tractor is that you are using?



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Allan in NE

11-04-2005 10:36:20




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 Re: plowing in reply to mitchp, 11-04-2005 08:29:20  
Mitch,

That's my old 966 and I've got another 50 or so acres of that sod to turn under. Been waiting for a good soakin' rain so I can get it done, but so far no luck. Maybe next spring?

Also, this place has been farmed for so many years using those old one way plows that the edge of the fields are about a good 6 feet higher than the centers just like you are talking about. It is going to take me years to straighten it back out.

Allan

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JMS/MN

11-04-2005 13:51:44




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 Re: plowing in reply to Allan in NE, 11-04-2005 10:36:20  
Allan- it was not the problem of the one-way plow..... .it was the operator that used it in only one way! I knew you knew that! Dead furrows were an issue with pull-type plows in my Dad's time, but now with semi-mount plows we all do like paul says- if we still plow. Chisels and disc chisels are more fun- work from one side of the field to the other, no furrows, no lands, just hum across the good earth.

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DaveInMI

11-05-2005 01:44:56




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 Re: plowing in reply to JMS/MN, 11-04-2005 13:51:44  
Heavy poor draining soil can benefit with careful layout of headlands and deadfurrows. Year to year headlands on headlands and dead furrows on dead furrows can aid in proper drainage.



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steve in in

11-04-2005 07:56:07




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 Re: plowing in reply to mitchp, 11-04-2005 06:46:00  
I thought that is why your supposed to start in the middle. :)



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mitchp

11-04-2005 08:27:03




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 Re: plowing in reply to steve in in, 11-04-2005 07:56:07  
i've heard of people doing that, i've never tried starting in the middle and wasn't sure what to do to avoid having a mess :o)



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RodinNS

11-04-2005 17:05:22




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 Re: plowing in reply to mitchp, 11-04-2005 08:27:03  
Technically, you're supposed to do an opening split, with the last furrow only, and turn these furrows away from each other to create a dead furrow. Then set the plow up for regular plowing, and simply turn the splits back over and in, and keep on going. I never bother with the split. Just drop the plow and go. IF the plow is set correctly, it shouldn't be a problem. If it isn't set up correctly, then.... well... it's a mess. It will leave some ridge. I also keep the crowns narrow enough that I'm not wasting time driving on the headland. Just whip around and go back. Might be 3 or 4 crowns on the width of most of my fields.
When I get to the edge of the field, I simply plow the last 4 or 5 trips around the perimeter IN. Keeps from throwing the soil out and away. Some guys around me plow them out..... Everybody's different.
Also, I generally just fill the dead furrows with the disc. I also drag an "I" beam behind the disc, so that helps level and smooth a lot. FWIW,

Rod

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comfortkingh

11-04-2005 07:31:30




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 Re: plowing in reply to mitchp, 11-04-2005 06:46:00  
When you get to the center, let your back bottom run in the furrow of the other land. You will want to go slow and the front of your plow will be up on ground that is all ready plowed. Your back bottom will go real deep, that is ok. Now when you go back to fill this deep furrow in you will have the extra dirt from the deep furrow and this dirt will be clean (free of trash. You leave the back plow up some.

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paul

11-04-2005 07:22:51




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 Re: plowing in reply to mitchp, 11-04-2005 06:46:00  
It loves to plug up the plow doing that, but it is how I do it. I have a 4 bottom hyd plow, so I try to leave the back up a bit to finish the field, not cut as deep a furrow. You can just plow it deep, come back in spring & fill it in a bit then with the plow, or a disk that throws dirt well.

--->Paul



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8e3k0

11-04-2005 09:23:58




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 Re: plowing in reply to paul, 11-04-2005 07:22:51  
This was quite a problem in the early years and small fields as a lot of farmers always plowed and started from the outer edges; after twenty years of plowing that way there was a huge bank of quality soil in the bush and literally no top soil left in the middle of the field. Every year you would move that soil 14 or 16 inches and 6 to 8 inches deep so it does not take many years to move that soil 10 to 20 feet over a period of years. My Dad had rule that if you plowed out one year; then the next year you started in the middle and filled that old "dead furrow" in, leaving the remaining dead furrows on each side of the outer field edge.

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Ken Macfarlane

11-04-2005 10:18:48




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 Re: plowing in reply to 8e3k0, 11-04-2005 09:23:58  
Its funny you mention that! We have field that have slightly grown in over the years, and they are on a hill. You can see the steps in the brush where it had been plowed "in" before.



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