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K.B.-826

11-03-2005 19:48:11




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Any of you guys work at fuel injection shops or hydrostatic transmission shops? How do you clean those precision parts? Most manuals say to clean in a suitible solvent or diesel fuel for injection parts, and then to dry with a lint-free cloth. I have yet to discover a cloth that does not leave lint behind. I've got a JD fuel injection manual which says not to dry parts with compressed air. Why, were they concerned that moisture in the compressed air might end up on the part?

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NC Wayne

11-04-2005 16:03:35




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 Re: Cleaning precision parts in reply to K.B.-826, 11-03-2005 19:48:11  
If I'm rebuilding a hydraulic valve, pump, etc I always use brake cleaner to wash the parts. It evaporates almost instantly leaving the part clean so you don't need a lint free cloth to dry it off. As far as blowing the part off the worst thing about that is the posibility of blowing it out of your hand and letting it hit the ground. Not only does it get dirty but you alos stand the chance of it getting scratched, dimpled, etc when it hits. Beyond that hazard I've never seen any problem with using compressed air even if it has a little moisture in it, especially if your planning to put the part right back on the machine and back to work. Now if you were building the part as a spare and it was gonna set on a shelf for a time, then I'd say watch out for the moisture because it's gonna stay on the part liong enough to cause rust, otherwise I wouldn't worry about it... Like Doogdoog basically said, when your working on equipment in the field, like I do, you might as well throw the cleanliness guidelines in the OEM manuals out the window because you'll never reach the level of cleanliness they want you to. Heck short of having a "computer style" clean room with submicron filtered air, etc you'll never reach the levels they say you should. I've been in numerous rebuild shops over the years that do engines, fuel pumps, injectors, etc and I've never seen one with a "clean room" for doing the work. True most have a room that's kept clean, that's well lit, that usually has formica on the benches, etc, and is often closed off from the dirtier parts of the shop with a plastic curtain or whatever, but none with nearly the cleanliness levels the OEM suggests. The shop I just described sounds very similar to the company that rebuilds fuel pumps for us. Since dad first started using them it's been nearly 20 years and we've never been called back on any of the pumps or injectors they've done for us. In the end, especially if you work in the field, all you can do is keep everything as clean as possible and keep on working, otherwise the time to take the machine to the shop, rebuild the part in a clean room, etc will be so cost prohibitive you'd be better off to scrap the old part and simply buy a new one.....which is exactly what most OEM's nowdays want you to do anyway....Just my .02

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thejdman01

11-04-2005 14:21:26




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 Re: Cleaning precision parts in reply to K.B.-826, 11-03-2005 19:48:11  
from my expericence latex gloves and lint free baby dipers work best. even the skin from your hadnds can pit the barrels of the injection pump



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thejdman01

11-04-2005 18:45:28




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 Re: Cleaning precision parts in reply to thejdman01, 11-04-2005 14:21:26  
meant to say oils from your hands



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Glen in TX

11-04-2005 12:08:52




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 Re: Cleaning precision parts in reply to K.B.-826, 11-03-2005 19:48:11  
I've seen many shops use the ultrasonic cleaners for cleaning parts like that. Not cheap to buy those cleaners or the solvents for them either.



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Davis In SC

11-04-2005 18:39:31




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 Re: Cleaning precision parts in reply to Glen in TX, 11-04-2005 12:08:52  
One thing to remember about using a U/S cleaner... Parts are so clean, all oil is gone..they can rust within minutes, if you do not apply some type of oil...



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Midwest redneck

11-04-2005 01:52:24




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 Re: Cleaning precision parts in reply to K.B.-826, 11-03-2005 19:48:11  
I used to perform contamination testing at my old employer, about 10 years ago. Here is an option: get a glass jar and wash it real good with Bon-Ami cleanser (bon-ami is the only one we knew of that didnt leave residue) and let dry upside down in the sink and use a towel to set it on, then in a clean area, like the garage that doesnt have dirt flying around use brake cleaner or alcohol (iso-prop) that has been filtered through a stainer into another cleaned glass jar and then use this for cleaning precision parts. (this is my semi-professional opiniion) for what its worth.

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doogdoog

11-04-2005 00:50:55




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 Re: Cleaning precision parts in reply to K.B.-826, 11-03-2005 19:48:11  
Aloha, I remember when I was a young kid (long time ago) I used to watch my fathers field mechanic work on the heavy equipment (dozers, shovels,etc) using the back of the pickup truck as a workbench. He took diesel pumps apart and reassembled it and used diesel to clean them. Now, this is in the field with red dirt flying around and it always worked. I guess the older equipment wasn't as tight as todays are, but to me, they were 100% better because you could do the repairs yourself. I myself took diesel injectors apart to clean them and it worked without any problems. I used carb spray cleaner to clean the metal parts and it worked great.

Mahalo,
doogdoog

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lance smith

11-03-2005 22:10:45




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 Re: Cleaning precision parts in reply to K.B.-826, 11-03-2005 19:48:11  
cheese cloth is supposed to be lint free , but does hold dust . now the old style cotton baby diapers they were great at cleaning windshields due to their lint freeness . you can buy a lint free paper towel , it's what we used in our fuel shop for aircraft fuel nozzles . anyway good luck
lance



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msb

11-03-2005 21:03:27




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 Re: Cleaning precision parts in reply to K.B.-826, 11-03-2005 19:48:11  
I used to run a diesel room.Mineral spirits is a suitable solvent as is Safety Clean brand solvent.Either product will evaporate and leave the parts dry if left long enough.For that reason,place the parts in a shallow pan of diesel fuel.I use aluminum cake pans.Regardless of what the book says,blow the parts off with air run through a water trap if you need to inspect closely ,but dip all parts in clean diesel fuel or injector oil if availabe(very high grade of diesel fuel)when reassembling them.I never use cloth of any kind except to wipe my hands off.Which brings up another point;be certain your hands are super clean since grime imbeded in the pores of your skin can and will come off on those delicate parts.Its also a good idea to keep your hands wet with diesel fuel to keep any perspiration from getting on the parts.You simply can't be too clean when working on an injection pump or injection nozzles.Any pump or nozzle work should be done in a "clean" room. A good way to check on the cleanliness of a room is to dip a piece of glass in diesel fuel and hold the glass up in the air for a few seconds.Any specks of dust or dirt will quickly attach to the glass and is readily seen.

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kyhayman

11-03-2005 20:08:52




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 Re: Cleaning precision parts in reply to K.B.-826, 11-03-2005 19:48:11  
I have no idea about working on the magic guts of an injection pump but camera shops have lint free cloths (silk) for cleaning lenses and such.



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UncleTom

11-03-2005 21:40:32




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 Re: Cleaning precision parts in reply to kyhayman, 11-03-2005 20:08:52  
MSB, I grew up on a farm and knew that diesel pumps were touchy, but what if you didnt follow all your cleanly procedures? Would the pump fail because of a small amount of dust in the air or lint from a cloth? I know that the pumps are very close tollerances but that is almost like surgery.I learn something new everyday. Thanks



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Majorman

11-04-2005 00:16:54




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 Re: Cleaning precision parts in reply to UncleTom, 11-03-2005 21:40:32  
MSB is exactly right about the conditions in diesel shops. It is like an operating theatre. The slightest contact with moisture or grit, if left untreated will ruin the components in pumps and injectors.

But I am sure there will be lots of people out there that have taken pumps and injectors apart on the barn floor using old corn sacks as rag, who will claim that they always worked OK afterwards.

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