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Griz

10-25-2005 20:24:12

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Just recently made a trip to the Henry Ford Museum and Greenfeild Village. I highly recommend both places. Ford has many many acres of lawn around that area. I was surprised not to see any Ford equipment maintaining the lawn. I figured they should be able to get any peice of equipment for cost. Instead of blue and white all of the equipment was green and yellow. What gives quality or a contracted company, anybodies guess. Sure did make it look bad for their brand name.

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marty g.

10-27-2005 04:59:35

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Re: Why not Ford New Holland? in reply to Griz, 10-25-2005 20:24:12

The guy cutting the lawn is probably under contract. So for cost or other reason is driving around in something green. I'm sure the museum don't own any property maintenance equpt.

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BobMo

10-26-2005 05:34:04

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Re: Why not Ford New Holland? in reply to Griz, 10-25-2005 20:24:12

Griz, you need to get out more. Your years behind. Go to AGCO's web site and you can see what they manufacture and distribute. Any of these products may be manufactured anywhere in the world. AGCO manufactures in the tractor line, Massey Fergeson, Valtura, Fendt, Agco & Challanger (Cat). In equipment they manufacture Gleaner, Hesston & New Idea, along with others.
Some of these may be manufactured in the US but I'm sure not many for various reasons, productivity, quality, cost of health care, environmental restrictions, and direct labor costs.
You can complain all you want but that�s the way it is. They are in it for the money the same as you would be if you were they. Sad isn't it....

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jfp

10-26-2005 04:57:19

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Re: Why not Ford New Holland? in reply to Griz, 10-25-2005 20:24:12

I'd like to open up a car, truck, and tractor company; but just as sure as I did some union or gov't organization would start telling me how to run it, thus the reason nothing is American made anymore.

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MarkB_MI

10-26-2005 03:12:10

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Re: Why not Ford New Holland? in reply to Griz, 10-25-2005 20:24:12

To add what the others have said, note that the Ford Museum/Greenfield Village is an independent, non-profit corporation; it is not owned by either Ford Motor Company or the Ford family. (Although, naturally, both give a lot of support to the museum.) Most visitors to the Ford museum are surprised to find that there are as many non-Ford vehicles on display as there are Fords.

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Robert in W. Mi.

10-26-2005 16:25:51

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Re: Why not Ford New Holland? in reply to MarkB_MI, 10-26-2005 03:12:10

How about that Toyota sells more cars in the USA than Ford does!!! Toyota is number two just behind GM, and they are gaining ground while GM is looseing ground!

Guess who will soon be number one??

Robert

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I hate to break your bubb

10-25-2005 20:56:04

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Re: Why not Ford New Holland? in reply to Griz, 10-25-2005 20:24:12

Ford sold its tractor division along with New Holland to Fiat many years ago. A few years ago Fiat bought Case-IH as well, that is why we now have CNH or Case-New Holland. You will notice that their smaller tractors(not the compact line) are no longer the decendants of the old Ford line. They are out of the Fiat design shop and they have Red twins at the Former Case-IH dealers. The Compact New Holland tractors are still produced by the Asian manufacturer that made Ford's compacts for many years. The IH and Case-IH compacts were made by Mitsubishi which produces them for Cub Cadet. A few of the compact Mahindras are also the Mitsubishi design. There was a time when IH and Ford tractors were built and marketed in as many countries in the world as any other brand, now their empires have been split up and parted out. I will just stop now the story is just too sad.

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Griz

10-26-2005 00:21:20

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Re: Why not Ford New Holland? in reply to I hate to break your bubb, 10-25-2005 20:56:04

I thought Ford still owned New Holland. You turn your back and another piece of America is sold off. But then it didn't sound like Ford built anything here anyway. If they were buying from Mitsu. they were putting money in Chrysler's pocket. By selling to Fiat GM got a piece of the pie since they own a chunk of Fiat.
That seem to be the history of farm impliments and tractors always buying and selling.

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10-26-2005 07:04:10

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Re: Why not Ford New Holland? in reply to Griz, 10-26-2005 00:21:20

Gris,
Mitsubishi built the Case-IH compacts, Ford's were built by another asian manufacturer, Shibaru.

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wayne2

10-25-2005 21:32:42

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Re: Why not Ford New Holland? in reply to I hate to break your bubb, 10-25-2005 20:56:04

Stop: Please your ripping my heart out!!!

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Jack B. Nimble

10-26-2005 04:24:13

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Re: Why not Ford New Holland? in reply to wayne2, 10-25-2005 21:32:42

Yeah and it gets worse. John Deeres are less than 80% domestic product and their smaller utility tractors are imported from china. OUCH! Our local Ford/New Holland dealer is now selling more Fendt Tractors than New Hollands. I don't have any idea where those come from.

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Griz

10-26-2005 21:47:17

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Ford/New Holland in reply to Jack B. Nimble, 10-26-2005 04:24:13

The sign is why I thought Ford still owned N/H. I guess the signs should be changed to Fiat/GM/New Holland with maybe a few more slashes.

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RodinNS

10-27-2005 15:15:53

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Re: Ford/New Holland in reply to Griz, 10-26-2005 21:47:17

I don't know about GM owning any of Fiat. The last I heard, Fiat was the largest privately held company in Italy. From what I've read, Fiat is set up as a parent company, which holds controling interest in a variety of satelite companies. Case NewHolland Global (CNH) is one of many satelites, which is publically traded. The Ford/NewHolland timeline started with Ford Tractor Operations purchase of NewHolland from the Sperry corporation in Sept '85, with the further purchase of Versatile in '87. Fiat then aquired 80% of Ford/NewHolland in 1990, with an option to purchase the final 20% within 4 years, which they did. They had rights to use the FORD name for 10 years, and the Ford logo (script) for 5 years.
In 1999 Fiat reached an aggreement with Tennco to purchase Tennco's interest in CaseIH, which was approximately 71% of Case Corp's outstanding shares.
There is a diverse mixture of other ag and industrial brands that have been swallowed whole by Fiat both before and since the Ford buyout, and have mostly operated under their own old brand names since.
Anyhow, that's a rough rundown..... .

Rod

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Robert in W. Mi.

10-27-2005 06:57:21

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Re: Ford/New Holland in reply to Griz, 10-26-2005 21:47:17

The Ford name hasn't been on the New Holland signs around here for a long time now....

The name "Ford" kept getting smaller and smaller on the tractors with the NH name getting bigger (size wise) untill the Ford name was gone. That happened long time ago too...

Robert

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IanC

10-27-2005 09:20:39

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Re: Ford/New Holland in reply to Robert in W. Mi., 10-27-2005 06:57:21

I was a parts manager for a "Ford" tractor dealer then. The script "Ford" was not used after Nov. of 1995, when the New Holland became larger than the Ford. The block letter Ford came off Nov. of 1999. That was all in the sales agreement and was demanded by FORD not New Holland. FiatAgri bought Ford/New Holland from Sperry in 1990.

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Vernon

10-26-2005 05:21:19

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Re: Why not Ford New Holland? in reply to Jack B. Nimble, 10-26-2005 04:24:13

AGCO!

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KEH

10-26-2005 05:13:10

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Re: Why not Ford New Holland? in reply to Jack B. Nimble, 10-26-2005 04:24:13

I think Fendts are made in Germany.

KEH

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