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34gpa

10-18-2005 07:03:42




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I need too take off/demount some old tires to clean rims and put on new. Is it easier too do it with the rim on or off the tractor?What are some good tools that would make the job easier?Any other tips would be nice. Is dish soap a good lube to use for mounting? If off the tractor,is it easier to do with tire standing up,leaning against something or laying on the ground? Ive heard both ways. Thanks for any tips.

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Leland

10-19-2005 18:41:17




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 Re: demounting tires in reply to 34gpa, 10-18-2005 07:03:42  
Or you could talk to a local tire monkey you would be surprised what 2-3 cases of beer can get you done .



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RodinNS

10-19-2005 09:40:37




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 Re: demounting tires in reply to 34gpa, 10-18-2005 07:03:42  
I've seen a lot of tires broken down, done a few myself, and seen several methods of breaking the bead. The quickest, easiest and by far the cheapest that I've ever laid eyes on was the tire maul. That, combined with some lubricant on the bead will have them broken down in few minutes. The secret to the maul is all in the swing. You must hit the right spot, or it will never work. Just aim to miss the rim a bit, and you've got the right spot. I've never seen a tire that refused the maul. I prefer to change them on the ground. 2 spoons and a maul is all that's needed. Tire shops have gotten out of hand with prices lately. Seen too many 100 dollar repairs on dry tires and 250 dollar repairs on loaded tires. Enough is enough. Do my own now. FWIW,

Rod

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Old Pokey

10-18-2005 17:50:17




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 Re: demounting tires in reply to 34gpa, 10-18-2005 07:03:42  
Biggest thing to consider about keeping the tire on the tractor to dismount as is mentioned below, is that you are limited in how much force you can apply to the bead without buying a bunch of tools. Also, if these are rear tractors that you're looking to change, and the tires have been on for many, many years, the tires can be really well adhered to the rim. The inside bead may give you a real run for your money unless you have or plan to buy some tools. If you do want to buy some tools, buy the ones for the position you choose to leave the tire in to do the dismount and mount. If you leave them on the tractor, perhaps a slide hammer style bead breaker and a few spoons will do. If you decide to put the tire on the ground, a tire hammer an a few spoons again will work well.

Biggest thing is, if you have'nt done this before, SAFETY is of utmost importance. Watching the pros do it makes this operation look easy. It can be really dangerous though if you're not prepared. Every year people are hurt or killed from underestimating the dangers of tire mounting. For instance when you inflate the new tires, do you know how what to look for to make sure the bead will seat safely and properly??? How about how to keep from pinching the tube if you decide to do this operation with the tires on the tractor??? If this is your first time, I would find a freind in the business to help you out, or at least go watch it done at the tire store a time or two.

I wish you good luck. It can be really a fun thing to do if you are patient and use safety precautions.

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supergrumpy

10-19-2005 07:26:40




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 Re: demounting tires in reply to Old Pokey, 10-18-2005 17:50:17  
I"m still waiting for the fun part!!!



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Old Pokey

10-19-2005 12:01:39




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 Re: demounting tires in reply to supergrumpy, 10-19-2005 07:26:40  
:-) well, I guess that part is definately up to interpretation is'nt it? I consider the fun part the new knowledge gained from the experience, and the self gratitude of being able to do what most consider a job only the pros at the tire can do.



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doug colacicco

10-18-2005 23:32:34




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 Re: demounting tires in reply to Old Pokey, 10-18-2005 17:50:17  
i just had the rear tire changed on my 8n i'm sure glad i had it done it was a real bugger



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CEB

10-18-2005 12:30:14




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 Re: demounting tires in reply to 34gpa, 10-18-2005 07:03:42  
It is definitely easier to change a rear tire leaving the rim on the tractor. Get a "bead cheta" tool, it will make the job on lot easier.

Be careful not to pinch the tube when putting a tire back on the tractor. Also make sure that you lube the rim really well around the entire rim in the area where the bead will be seating.

For small tires, I prefer to take them off the tractor to change.

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JMS/MN

10-18-2005 10:37:12




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 Re: demounting tires in reply to 34gpa, 10-18-2005 07:03:42  
Assuming it's a rear tire- leave it on the tractor. Lacking bead breaking tools, slide hammer and muscle, etc- but you have a helper: use a 4x4 timber and another tractor or pickup bumper to push the tire loose from the rim. Loader bucket works too.



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mlm

10-18-2005 10:21:28




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 Re: demounting tires in reply to 34gpa, 10-18-2005 07:03:42  
I agree. Go see Gemplers.com website. They have pitures of changing tires. its much easier to change an old stiff tire on the tractor then off. Either way is ok for new live rubber tires. bead cheater or tire slide hammers work good. also need some tire spoons. get a gallon of their tire lube. They have a toll free number and will help you if you call.



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MN BOb

10-18-2005 09:28:16




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 Re: demounting tires in reply to 34gpa, 10-18-2005 07:03:42  
IF you have several to do it may pay to get good tools. Do a google for Gemplers and go to tires, they have some good tools including a bead breaking tool for on or off the tractor(called cheta). Try a vegitable oil for a lubricant, but do not use any petrolum based grease or oil. My 2 cents.



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Island A

10-18-2005 09:11:43




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 Re: demounting tires in reply to 34gpa, 10-18-2005 07:03:42  
Put the wheel in yer truck and head out to the local volunteer fire department. Ask them to use the Jaws of life to put a squeeze on the tire to break the bead. Rotate the wheel and do it a few more times around the rim. The bead will break free and the tire can be reused. Make sure you take the valve stem out before squeezing the tire. This is how I do all of my tires. Of course I have access to the equipment, being a member of the VFD.
This is assuming your local VFD has the tool, some don't.
Dave

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Leland

10-18-2005 08:20:41




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 Re: demounting tires in reply to 34gpa, 10-18-2005 07:03:42  
They are easier to dismount on tractor bacuase the tire does not have to be lifted up , but if you do remove them find a high lift jack and slide tire under the draw bar of a heavy tractor and this way you use weight of tractor to pop beads simple any it works . or if the old tires are junk then a sawsall works great also .



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old

10-18-2005 07:42:33




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 Re: demounting tires in reply to 34gpa, 10-18-2005 07:03:42  
Rim off tractors its safer. Laying down is the best way to go. You need a tire Hammer and 2 tire spoons to dismount. Its a lot of work and take time to learn to do it right, been there done that years ago as my job. Dish soap and water mix works well. Doesn't take much soap but a lot of water.



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unioncreek

10-18-2005 10:43:53




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 Re: demounting tires in reply to old, 10-18-2005 07:42:33  
I use a wood splitting maul and put the tire on the ground. I used a jack before, but the splitting maul worked great.

Bobg



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old

10-18-2005 10:53:23




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 Re: demounting tires in reply to unioncreek, 10-18-2005 10:43:53  
A tire hammer works even better and its the right tool for the job. I always hate to just get by. As the saying goes the right tool for the right job.



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Old Pokey

10-18-2005 12:09:53




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 Re: demounting tires in reply to old, 10-18-2005 10:53:23  
There"s no question about the tire hammer being the "right" tool for the job. But if you"re only doing a couple tires every now and then, and you dont have the practice time in swinging the tire hammer, you can do more damage than good.



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old

10-18-2005 12:35:16




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 Re: demounting tires in reply to Old Pokey, 10-18-2005 12:09:53  
Well thats sort of yes and no. The wrong hammer say like a splitting maul will and can do as much or more and a tire hammer will be less likely to do as much damage then a splitting maul will



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Harley

10-18-2005 13:42:49




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 Re: demounting tires in reply to old, 10-18-2005 12:35:16  
Only one way to go. 1. Bouncing a 250+ lb. tire around the shop with hand tools and cussing and about three hours labor, and MAYBE it'll come off.
2. Take it to the local tire shop, they unload it, you get a coke, sit down and watch, they got all the right tools, and if they don't it ain't your problem, 1/2 hr. later, you're on the way home, maybe $15.00 labor, about the price of the hammer and you didn't get black shut all over your almost still good jeans. A no brainer, BTDT, Harley

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Farmered

10-19-2005 02:11:18




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 Re: demounting tires in reply to Harley, 10-18-2005 13:42:49  
I'm with you Harley!
Tire changing is a hard dirty job even if you have the experience and all the right tools. I now leave it to the younger guys. I only found one that I couldn't get off and I sent that one home with its owner with the advice to use it to burn a brush pile with. Can't even do that now, the EPA will have your farm.



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Old Pokey

10-18-2005 17:26:10




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 Re: demounting tires in reply to Harley, 10-18-2005 13:42:49  
Cant argue with that. If they dent or bend the rim, they also pay for it. If the home shop repairman pinches the tube, it'll cost him a new tube and all the pain in the butt to do it all over again.

Now having said that, I still do some of my own tire dismounting and mounting simply cause I can. I use a tube deflater to suck all the air out of the tire so I can get the soap solution further into the bead. Then I use a sledge and a wide dull chisel and pound at a steep angle to the bead to get it started. Then as the chisel gets closer to the rim, I angle it out a bit to push more on the tire. Once the tire is deflated with the deflater, there's usually a good spot to get started. I do pick and choose though which tires I do myself as some of the rear tractor tires have a bead protector molded in. Those are really tough to get even a tire hammer started. Those tires usually require the hydraulic bead breaker as it will grip the rim and push at the spot where it is designated to do so on the tire. I should also mention that I did used to work at les schwabb many years ago. But I am by no means an expert. I just remember a few of the tricks that some of the very well seasoned tire experts taught me. That tube deflater is one trick I swear by. It has saved me a lot of time on repairs on machinery. I used it to deform a tire on the combine so i could replace a shaft on the feederhouse without removing that huge and heavy tire from the combine.

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