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Old Gas, You Ain't Going to Believe This!

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Don Wadge

10-17-2005 12:08:19




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I've been collecting old tractors since 1975 and somewhere along the line I bought a D100 Versatile 4WD which is Versatiles first year tractor. More recently I started acquiring some of their early combines. Last year I bought a 1970 Versatile 5000 combine with hydrostatic drive. It has a Chrysler 318 Industrial engine. (This is one of the very early 5000's,most had Ford 360 Industrial engines) When I found the combine it was in an old shed and the roof had pretty much given out and was beginning to fall in on it. It was a dirt floor and the combine had sunk in to the depth of the front rubber. I dug it out and the owner pulled it out with a large tractor and because of the hydrostatic we basically draggged it out. First thing I did was check the gas tank with the expectation that there would not be much in it and I would just drain it into a pail. Well, the tank was 1/2 to 2/3 full and the combine last ran in 1986. So, I figured #1 what to do with that amount of fuel, #2 why not try it, #3 if it runs why not use it. I could not turn the engine in the spring but I did not think it would be seriously stuck as the exhasts were covered so I filled each cylinder with WD40 and let it sit all summer. A couple of weeks ago I began seriously trying to get it started. The mice had built a nest in the bellhousing and the starter drive was rusted solid, so off to the repair shop with that. Next I filed the points, put spark indicators on two plugs; sometimes, good spark, sometimes no spark, sometimes weak spark. So I put on new points and condensor. Same thing. Start checking the wires. The wires had been repalced with the carbon type and no carbon center on the coil wire at the coil. Cut that off and replaced wire end and now good spark. So I poured about half a cup of gas into the top of the carburetor. Turned the engine over for a good bit as it was a little flooded from the amount of gas I put in. Then it started firing and took off. Ran like sh** for the first minute or so blowing old rust and carbon out of the exhausts but it just kept on going on that 19 year old gas. Next I jumped down got in the cab, raised the pick-up, moved the hydro forward (good) then reversed (good) drove it arounf the yard. I let it run for 30 - 40 minutes and just before I shut it off I pulled it down to a slow idle and it idled very nicely. Kind of (very!) thrilling when you first start an old machine that hasn't run for a long time and you're not really sure if it still might. On this combine the engine is mounted up top behind the grain tank and has dual mufflers, one of which had disintegrated so it sounded pretty cranky but running nice.

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Mie S 806/H

10-22-2005 10:57:41




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 Re: Old Gas, You Ain't Going to Believe This! in reply to Don Wadge, 10-17-2005 12:08:19  
all the old gas I get I give to my friend, he drives a old junker truck we fill it up and runs good,the truck has around 250,000 miles the last time we put 25 year old gas in it (it stunk!) the fuel pump in the tank went bad, he sold the truck for $200.00 with the bad pump, the guy that bought it fixed it and is still driving it, bet he was surprised at the smell when he removed it,



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Dave_Id

10-18-2005 11:09:20




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 Re: Old Gas, You Ain't Going to Believe This! in reply to Don Wadge, 10-17-2005 12:08:19  
I had the same experience with buying a swather, perhaps they mixed their fuel with Stabil. The swather sat for 7 years, and had close to 40 gallons of gas in her tank.. It fired right up after replacing the broken wire on the electric fuel pump.



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Redmud

10-18-2005 04:39:15




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 Re: Old Gas, You Ain't Going to Believe This! in reply to Don Wadge, 10-17-2005 12:08:19  
Old gas can cause bent push rods, and sometimes worse.



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arod

10-17-2005 15:05:34




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 Re: Old Gas, You Ain't Going to Believe This! in reply to Don Wadge, 10-17-2005 12:08:19  
no place to put gas??? come on guys, you can watch it evaporate before your eyes in an open container...



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doogdoog

10-17-2005 14:14:33




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 Re: Old Gas, You Ain't Going to Believe This! in reply to Don Wadge, 10-17-2005 12:08:19  
Aloha, That's good news! Usually, the gas in the carb dries out and leaves behind all of the gummy stuff. I hope you changed the oil because the WD40 had to go someplace like ending up in the crankcase.

Mahalo,
doogdoog



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37 chief

10-17-2005 14:12:10




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 Re: Old Gas, You Ain't Going to Believe This! in reply to Don Wadge, 10-17-2005 12:08:19  
I would remove that old gas and repalace it with fresh. If it still smells fresh you may be able to use it. I put some 15 year old gas in one of my tractors just because I had no other place to put it. It ran ok for a few hours and after that a couple of the valves started sticking. Finally one stuck open. and I ended removing the valve cover to free up the valve. Have fun with your combine. It is a good feeling to here something run after setting for a long time.

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John S-B

10-17-2005 13:30:58




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 Re: Old Gas, You Ain't Going to Believe This! in reply to Don Wadge, 10-17-2005 12:08:19  
Why are you bothering to post this when you should be out buying lottery tickets!? ;>)
Something like that can give you a good feeling for years, one of life's little triumphs!



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mark

10-17-2005 19:18:47




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 Re: Old Gas, You Ain't Going to Believe This! in reply to John S-B, 10-17-2005 13:30:58  
If the stuff burns well enough to run the engine, run it out!

I bought an old outboard a few years ago from a friend. I spied it in his garage attic and asked if it was for sale...yep, 50 bucks! It turned out to be a 1950-53 Goodyear (Evinrude I think) 5 horsepower. I asked how long it had sat there...he says, oh 20 years or so. He drags it out, checks the tank and mumbles there is still gas in it. He then proceeds to hit the primer a few licks, yanks the cord and VRRRROOOM! damned thing ran like new! I don't know why or how...just that it did and continues to run great. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

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