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Boosting Positive Ground

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TomNTexas

10-12-2005 03:37:25




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Sorry for the redundancy of this subject but I've searched the archives and I'm still not real clear on this. So here goes.
I recently had a dead battery on my JD3020 with postive ground (12volt) . So I just left terminal cables connected and hooked up the charger. Well this tractor is new to me and the first piece of pos grd equipment that I've been around so I began questioning myself as to which leads go where. I hooked up the pos cable from the charger to the neg battery terminal and then the negative to the positive post thinking that this would be correnct. Well apparently it wasn't. It sparked and jumped fire. Now, using process of elimination I connected it just opposite and found same result. Now feeling foolish, I just disconnected the battery and charged it the way I should have in the first place. Now with my battery charged I found the generator light glowing on the dash panel and the system no longer charges. Question 1. What did I screw up in the charging system. Question 2. What is the correct way to connect the cables if I want to boost the tractor with my pickup.

Tom

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John T

10-12-2005 07:07:14




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 Re: Boosting Positive Ground in reply to TomNTexas, 10-12-2005 03:37:25  
Tom, Great advice below, just remember youre charging/jumping the BATTERY NOT THE TRACTOR so as pointed out below thats still + to + and - to - REGARDLESS which battery post happens to have a big hunk of iron tied to it.

As far as what may be messed up I doubt the Generator was harmed, it can charge at EITHER polarity. However, the Voltage Regulator might possible have a problem depending on its type. This assumes its a Generator NOT an alternator as one of those could have suffered damage.

Just to be safe, once the battery is charged and is okay I would re polarize the Generator then see what happens. If shes still not charging, try to temporarily dead ground the Gens Field post to case n see if she charges then. If so but NOT otherwise, either the VR is at fault (a relay may be stuck or burned) or the VR isnt well grounded or the wires open from the Gens Field post to the VR's FLD termnal. If she still dont charge with the Field post grounded, leave it grounded and by pass jump the VR's BAT and ARM (or GEN) terminals temporary together n see if she charges then. If so but NOT otherwise, the VR's cutout relay is at fault. if she fails to charge wiht the Field grounded and the VR's cutout relay by pass jumped, the VR is out of the equation and the Gen may be at fault.

Good Luck, let us all know

John T

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TomNTexas

10-12-2005 06:18:39




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 Re: Boosting Positive Ground in reply to TomNTexas, 10-12-2005 03:37:25  
Thanks Guys.
Sounds so simple now. I was just having a problem with putting the red lead from the charger to the case ground. Well, now I know. I'll see if I can salvage that battery now.



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Bob M

10-12-2005 05:52:07




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 Re: Boosting Positive Ground in reply to TomNTexas, 10-12-2005 03:37:25  
Tom - when connecting chargers, boost jumping, etc. forget about ground polarity!

Just remember this: ALWAYS connect + to +. And ALWAYS connect - to -.

In other words when connecting a charger, connect the + (red) lead to the battery postive post, and the - (black) to battery negative.

And when using jumper cables run the red cable from one battery + to the other battery +, etc. (But for safety when jumpering make sure the two vehicle frames are NOT touching before making any connections!)

To your generator not charging problem a couple possiblities:

1 - The battery may become partially reverse charged when you connected the charger wrong. No now the electrical system cannot charge it. Best solution is to toss the battery and start over with a fresh one. (And if the tractor has a generator, repolarize the generator after installing the new battery.)

2 - If your 3020 has an alternator you may have blown out the alternator and/or regulator when you connected the charger backward. They may need to be replaced.

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Nebraska Cowman

10-12-2005 04:37:55




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 Re: Boosting Positive Ground in reply to TomNTexas, 10-12-2005 03:37:25  
you are too confused. Back up and take a deep breath. Now when a syseten is positive ground that means that the positive post on the battery is hooked to the ground. It is still the positive side and just means that the electrons or whatever are flowing in the oposite direction. For charging or boosting you still hook positive to positive, negitige to negitive. Of course if you are boosting from a pickup truck with negitive ground you don't want the vehicles touching each other.
Now if your battery was dead enough and you charged it with the battery charger hooked up positive to negitive you may have charged it up backwards and that is why your charging system on the tractor does not appear to be working now. I'd suggest getting a new battery and starting over. You might use the old battery for running a fence charger or something. Once it is dead you could charge it correctly the next time but every time a battery goes dead it takes years off it's life and is doomed to fail.

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onefarmer

10-12-2005 06:09:28




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 Re: Boosting Positive Ground in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 10-12-2005 04:37:55  
If the batt was reverse charged try running it dead by turning the lights on then charge correctly. May save the batt. Worth a try



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