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Diagnosing case/john deere

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thejdman01

09-28-2005 17:56:21




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I currently have a friend who is having problems with a ???? case. I am not sure of the number model i am very sure it woudl help to know that however i cant find that info out tonite. It is out of warrenty and am sure it has a least one fred on it (computer(fing rediculous electroic device)) i know it has at least one fred on it. the check engine light comes on (that is what my friend says have no clue which light that is in his tractor not a case man). he says it doesnt overheat and doesnt lose oil pressure however starts losing power. I currently have a nexiq to hook up to dlc's (data link connectors) for semis and most automobiles ("american ones anyways, i say american the big three but those arent american anymore really) and cummins, detroit and cat. i dont have the comptuer chips and updates for the new cummins and cats. now heres the question does anyone make a scan tool to hook up to international and john deere? my nexiq is starting to get older and obsolete as most electroic equipment gets and the man who i bought the nexiq from has since dropped off the face of the earth. does anyone know what mother deere and case use for program hookup at the dealer? and is there somone who makes a hand held and connectors/chips to hook up to these newer tractors to help chase down greenstar and engine problems? did a google search didnt yield much. thanks a lot

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thejdman01

09-29-2005 14:16:10




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 Re: Diagnosing case/john deere in reply to thejdman01, 09-28-2005 17:56:21  
oh im not complaining about shop rate of 90 bucks an hour. i totally understand with insurance and heat tools finding a good tech paying him 25 bucks an hour i totally understand. also i understand everyone has to make a buck including me. i was jsut wondering if there was a chip for my current tool if i if i could buy a cartridge for 300 and a cable i would. i believe taht my nexiq was 2500 bucks plus chips and cables. i didnt know if i could get one for that price for tractor i might do it. i am not trying to tun the tractor it depowers itself (something wrong with it). it is a friends tractor. thanks leland for the suggestion however the local community college that does has a diesel program said they dont have the right software to hook it up, i guess it is a trip to the dealer. the only thing i was trying to avoid is paying the case dealer 500 bucks to shine up a ground or something and then my 8310 has something go wrong and having to pay 500 for it if there was a hand held deal that ui could have bought for 600 bucks. thanks though

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Leland

09-29-2005 20:28:16




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 Re: Diagnosing case/john deere in reply to thejdman01, 09-29-2005 14:16:10  
JDMAN hard to belive we have several collages that JD and IH supports the programs and they take in equip to train kids on but since I live in cent IL maybe being close to factory helps



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thejdman01

09-30-2005 16:39:12




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 Re: Diagnosing case/john deere in reply to Leland, 09-29-2005 20:28:16  
i tried kishwaukee college in malta il and rock valley college in rockfor il and thats the only 2 local colleges besides niu which ihas no mechanic ag programs



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Leland

09-30-2005 21:15:04




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 Re: Diagnosing case/john deere in reply to thejdman01, 09-30-2005 16:39:12  
Try parkland in Champain or lake land in Mattoon they have great programs I would find it hard to belive they would not have something or the U of I



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RAS

09-29-2005 13:53:01




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 Re: Diagnosing case/john deere in reply to thejdman01, 09-28-2005 17:56:21  
Don"t know about Deere and can only talk about Case/IH. There is no hand held unit to plug into the tractor and don"t think there will ever be one. First off you talk about a chip to up HP. CNH tractors are not made like the trucks or cars, there is no chip They have controllers. The MX Magnum had 7 controllers engine, trans and so on. You also said you don"t want to pay a dealer 90.00 per hour to check you tractor let me tell you what the dealer has invested just so he can check your tractor. $2,000.00 just to get the software then $4,000.00 for connectors so he can work on all the different model tractors and then a laptop that will run all the software and the list goes on. I am not giving you a bad time just letting you know what a dealer has to spend just to work on his product line. So $90.00 per hour to find your problem is not so bad. Your last question CNH will not sell the service tool software to a customer.

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Leland

09-29-2005 07:18:27




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 Re: Diagnosing case/john deere in reply to thejdman01, 09-28-2005 17:56:21  
JDman try your local community collage the equipment makers give the schools the hardware to train students they will run it thru there shop usualy for free to give kids hands on this is the only way to get your hands on these programs cheap .



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Stum

09-29-2005 06:44:21




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 Re: Diagnosing case/john deere in reply to thejdman01, 09-28-2005 17:56:21  
There are no cheap laptops/programs available for the newer tractors. They are available from Deere or Case but the cost is prohibitive $8-10000 for the laptop with some diagnostic programs,and $500-1000 extra for model specific programs.



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the tractor vet

09-28-2005 19:36:21




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 Re: Diagnosing case/john deere in reply to thejdman01, 09-28-2005 17:56:21  
Not anybody that i know of that stuff is usualy a captive item and when the day come that i need one of them for the tractors that i work on i'll sell all my tools and equipment but i don't think i'll have to worry as nobody i know can afford that new junk.



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buickanddeere

09-28-2005 21:06:06




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 Re: Diagnosing case/john deere in reply to the tractor vet, 09-28-2005 19:36:21  
Equipment manufactures don"t want "Joe Tinker" to be repairing thier equipment. They want equipment hauled to thier dealer. As the trend continues to fewer but larger farm operators. Such service will be done at the dealer"s shop rather than in the shed after supper at home. Some software has been back engineered for auto"s . However that"s a much larger market with people having ample cash in hand. Odds are some old fashoned trouble shooting looking for restricted airflow or fuel flow will find the culprit. The new stuff does burn less fuel per acre and emits fewer emissions. Oftem more comfortable to operate too. Fuel savings alone can make a bargan 4020 cost more than purchasing a new 6603 M4WD with radials.

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thejdman01

09-29-2005 18:28:49




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 Re: Diagnosing case/john deere in reply to buickanddeere, 09-28-2005 21:06:06  
buckanddeere i read an interesting article about how new tractors actually use more fuel then older tractors. it was called shift up throttle down and was in the corn and soybean digest, idont know if you subscribe to that but there was an article in there written to that effect.



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BobMo

09-28-2005 19:47:07




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 Re: Diagnosing case/john deere in reply to the tractor vet, 09-28-2005 19:36:21  
I'm impressed with thejdman01's spelling and lingo. This great since his questions makes no sense.



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CLW

09-28-2005 21:07:42




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 Re: Diagnosing case/john deere in reply to BobMo, 09-28-2005 19:47:07  
One thing some of you may want to think about is there are a few of us around from the late 30's and 40's that didn't go to high school, and some not even past 3rd. grade. No typing, and computers came along when we were in our 60's and 70's that we bought with our social security checks. So if you don't know how to handle a team of mules does that make you dumb? We won't hold that against you. We may not spell or type very well but living a long time gives us hands on experance that some of you may never have. So untill you walk in another mans shoes ..... ..... .
CLW

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Mike (WA)

09-30-2005 08:42:39




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 Re: Diagnosing case/john deere in reply to CLW, 09-28-2005 21:07:42  
Thanks- I think some of the folks need that message from time to time. Well said.



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Bob

09-28-2005 20:38:25




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 Re: Diagnosing case/john deere in reply to BobMo, 09-28-2005 19:47:07  
Translation:

He's looking for generic (read CHEAP) software to allow a laptop computer or PDA talk to the engine management computer on a Deere or CNH tractor.



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Newworld

09-28-2005 20:27:08




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 Re: Diagnosing case/john deere in reply to BobMo, 09-28-2005 19:47:07  
That lingo goes right along with the new computer junk that he complains about.



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thejdman01

09-29-2005 04:27:42




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 Re: Diagnosing case/john deere in reply to Newworld, 09-28-2005 20:27:08  
i am not complaining about new technology just trying to fix a newer tractor. my form of typing is 1 finger. it takes me a very long tmime to type and i have been shown abc check but cannot remember. i am not complaining about new technology only trying to find a way to "talk" to it and figure out what is wrong with it. i was hoping to buy a computer that will talk to these new machines. probably the last new toy i will buy. as i said i have the nexiq from when they first came out i dont know if his tractor has a cummins in it. i have a chip for cummins but am sure outdated. i was hoping to get a way to talk to the new equipment and that would be the last thing i ever buy. (computer diagnostics wise). i still got the scope and the dwell meter but doubt their usefullness. i was thinking at shop rates 90 bucks an hour around here and if a comptuer pdm or pmd (one of them handheld things) was 600 i could proabably come out ok if i were to solve 1 or 2 tractors in the rest of my life.

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