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300Randy

09-26-2005 13:54:52




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I'm thinking about making some concrete wheel weights for my 300U. My idea is to make a form that I can bolt to the wheel with threaded rod and fill from the top. Then when its dry I will remove the front cover and the rest of the form and the weight will be attached and ready to go.
I would have the form supported underneth as I fill it. It would be donut shaped. What would I put on it to make it release good? Do you think this could work the way I describe it, or should I just look for some real steel weights and forget about this idea?

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MN Bob

09-27-2005 06:36:03




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 Re: Concrete wheel weight idea. in reply to 300Randy, 09-26-2005 13:54:52  
Lots of good answers, I think you are worried about releasing the form after it is cured? If you use wood you dont need to worry. If you weld up a metal form that can be clamped togather, front and sides one section, rear left in place with small rods welded on to stick into cement/concrete for re-envorcment you should not have problem either. If you can find a strong platic barrel or bucket the right size around, it might work great. Be sure to vibrate or use a hammer to pound on the form to prevent voids as you fill. calcium chloride as suggested works great, but rusting wheels are the down side.

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Tom S. in Tn.

09-27-2005 06:05:36




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 Re: Concrete wheel weight idea. in reply to 300Randy, 09-26-2005 13:54:52  
My Uncle made some of these once. He took some huge brake drums off a semi or some kind of large peice of machinery, and welded some bolts inside pointing out to mount them when finished. He simply turned them up on the ground and filled them up, and smoothed off the top which would be seen facing out once mounted. He even painted them silver.
I later saw some car brake drum/cement weights on a garden tractor. I believe these car drum versions could be made for front wheels on large tractors if you leave the center open for the spindle.
These worked well, and made a neat custom hubcap like appearance in the center of the wheel.
Tom S. in Tn.

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Dan in Ore

09-27-2005 02:56:27




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 Re: Concrete wheel weight idea. in reply to 300Randy, 09-26-2005 13:54:52  
I had a 1930 Case "CC" that someone had poured concrete into the wheels.Those wheels had an inner ring around the studs so that was no problem. They just welded a piece of 4" steel plate around the spokes to form the outer ring of the form and poured away. Worked real well until I decided to take it out. This tractor also had calcium in the tires. Calcium Chloride might be a better way for you to get the weight you need, less invasive and gets the weight where it's needed.

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Steve Crum

09-26-2005 21:23:58




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 Re: Concrete wheel weight idea. in reply to 300Randy, 09-26-2005 13:54:52  
The main 4010 we had on the farm had concrete wheel weights. Dad made these in 1961 when the tractor was bought new. If memory serves me correct he said he used some old steel wheels off a harvester of some sort and a plywood backing for the form. As he poured the concrete in he wrapped old barn cleaner chain into it for weight and reinforcement, the lugs for the bolts were 3/4" water pipe with 3/4" bolts. Dad guestimated them to weight about 600 pounds apiece. The last I saw this tractor was in 2000 and the weights still looked good. I know with a good set of Good Year rubber and a hard enough pull you could twist the rims in the tires, then buy new inner tubes and get a hard lesson in tire repair.

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Chris Brown

09-26-2005 17:28:16




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 Re: Concrete wheel weight idea. in reply to 300Randy, 09-26-2005 13:54:52  
When you get your forms ready,take them to your local ready mix company and ask them to pour them full when they have some waste concrete. I drive ready mix and we dump probably 10 yards a week is a waste pit . We have made several parking curbs and anchor weights for folks for free.I would pour directly into the cast wheel center,the way I would do it is, take the wheel/rim off the tractor so you can lay it flat and line the center with plastic,have the mounting bolts already in place.Use a cardboard tube for the center hole and maybe a cardboard ring around the rim. Be creative. I have alot of concrete left over after jobs that I take home and pour sidewalks and who knows what. Be prepared for your concrete to be fairly wet if you want it free. Oh yea, tips are always appreciated.Even a 12 pack at quitting time.

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Bus Driver

09-26-2005 16:57:37




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 Re: Concrete wheel weight idea. in reply to 300Randy, 09-26-2005 13:54:52  
For a given volume, concrete weighs about 1/4 the weight of steel. Your weights will have to be much larger than iron or steel for equal weight.



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Bus Driver

09-27-2005 16:54:45




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 Re: Concrete wheel weight idea. in reply to Bus Driver, 09-26-2005 16:57:37  
To correct myself, the weight of concrete is about 1/3 that of steel. My earlier post was from a poor memory.



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Nelson2

09-27-2005 07:03:36




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 Re: Concrete wheel weight idea. in reply to Bus Driver, 09-26-2005 16:57:37  
You could always throw scrap steel into the concrete mix/form prior to set up for additional weight.



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paul

09-26-2005 14:42:04




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 Re: Concrete wheel weight idea. in reply to 300Randy, 09-26-2005 13:54:52  
Dad made 5 or so for various tractors around here. He used steel wheels. Find one that just sits inside the clamp that clamps on the tractor rim, supports the weight. Did that for the H, which is the same as a 300 row crop. Is the 300U the little feller?

Anyhow, probably don't have many steel wheels sitting around any more, but get some mild steel flat about 3/16 and bend into a proper circle of the right size, 4-5" wide. Put on flat surface, sheet of plastic under, a pipe bigger than the axle in the exact middle, few rebars welded in between, fill level with concrete, make 4 holes that line up with the wheel rims, let dry a week.

Will be great wheel weights. These dad made are 40+ years old.

I surely would _not_ permenantly cast concrete onto the wheel - if that is what you are suggesting. Ick.

--->Paul

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Mike Van

09-26-2005 14:30:38




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 Re: Concrete wheel weight idea. in reply to 300Randy, 09-26-2005 13:54:52  
Randy, I did this years back for my 300U with a loader - Start with a 55 gal drum [needs both ends] Cut it into thirds along the crimp that goes around the drum, save the end thirds. make a cardboard or paper template of your steel wheel, transfer this pattern to the end of the barrel third - drill barrel end to match template, put bolts in holes and tighten [check fit on wheel NOW] - lay flat [bolts down & fill drum third with concrete. Use chain hoist [or similar] to lift, line up bolts with holes & add nuts on inside of wheel. Not too classy, but it worked for me when I didn't have a lot of $$$$$$ - [still don't] I don't know what they weighed, you could figure it out though. Worked slick, the drum end fit into the 28" wheel, stuck out a few inches, but were round, balenced, etc.

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Buzzman72

09-26-2005 14:27:15




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 Re: Concrete wheel weight idea. in reply to 300Randy, 09-26-2005 13:54:52  
My uncle has a Cub that someone made a set of one-piece concrete wheel weights for...Unk's a retired civil engineer with the Illinois state highway department, so he LOVED the idea.

They're still on the tractor because they're too dang heavy for one man to put on or take off. I can just imagine how much worse similar weights for a 300 Utilty would be.



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john d

09-26-2005 14:20:28




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 Re: Concrete wheel weight idea. in reply to 300Randy, 09-26-2005 13:54:52  
Unless you just love projects like that, I think I'd find some cast iron weights.
Back in the late 50s and early 60s, thee was a company that marketed some "tanks" that bolted onto farmalls for more rear wheel weight. They were essentially a big "donut" shape with square edges where the front and back faces and the two bands that made the outside and inside surfaces met. They had a large pipe fitting one one side to fill through, and a small one on the other side for a drain. The idea was to mount them on the tractor and fill them with water for more weight. They barely fit inside the 38" wheel rim and cleared the axle by perhaps a 1/4" or so. As I remember, they were perhaps 8" thick.
One of the local IH dealers had them, and sold more than a few.
I heard of one individual who filled his with cement, and it worked fine. They were entirely too heavy to remove safely after that.

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Illinois Boy

09-26-2005 14:25:38




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 Re: Concrete wheel weight idea. in reply to john d, 09-26-2005 14:20:28  
john d has a good point.
Wonder how the tire guy would feel about fixing or mounting a tire on your rim after the concrete weight installation???



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300Randy

09-27-2005 05:16:16




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 Re: Concrete wheel weight idea. in reply to Illinois Boy, 09-26-2005 14:25:38  
With my idea the weight will be romovable as it will be held on with the threaded rod that will get cemented in. Thats why I wanted to know what to put on the rim and inside the mold to keep the cement from sticking to it.



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Buzzman72

09-26-2005 14:30:25




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 Re: Concrete wheel weight idea. in reply to Illinois Boy, 09-26-2005 14:25:38  
Probably not too bad, since the rims detach from the centers on most IH & Farmall stock wheels...



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