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Diesel---- gas---- new truck

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Jerry Bliler

09-24-2005 19:29:42




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Does anyone know of a site or two that deals with the cost and payback on a diesel pickup? Looking at new dodge and wander if the cost is worth the upgrade. I do not pull a large trailer but figure I will Keep it untill there isn"t much left. Thanks




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txgrn

09-25-2005 18:05:18




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 Re: Diesel---- gas---- new truck in reply to Jerry Bliler, 09-24-2005 19:29:42  
Since you are looking at new Dodges, don't overlook the 4.7 with 5 sp auto. I am very impressed with the performance of this combo and on my second tank of gas drove 163 miles on 9.5 gal....that's 17.1 on a new engine. I'm tickled. Something I didn't realize was my new Good year 20" tires are rated for 2600 lbs at 44 psig.

The 4.7 is a dual overhead cam completely new engine design from the old 318 and 360's. You can read about it on the www.

Mark

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T_Bone

09-25-2005 14:13:05




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 Re: Diesel---- gas---- new truck in reply to Jerry Bliler, 09-24-2005 19:29:42  
Hi Jerry,

Here is a repost of a thread I made 3yrs ago for the RV guys. Maybe it might help you;


V10 towing 20,000lbs GCW @ 8mpg average using 5k oil changes for 10,000 total miles
Oil and filter= $16eh= $32net
Fuel $1.50gal average= $1875

PSD towing 20,000lbs GCW @ 12mpg average using 5k oil changes for 10,000 total miles
Oil and filter= $32eh= $64net
Fuel $1.50gal average= $1250

100k= PSD total fuel and oil change cost $13,140
100k= V10 total fuel and oil change cost $19,070

Diesel wins by $5930 per 100k miles
My 2K2 diesel cost $3,450 vs V10 $500= $2950 diff

$5930-$2950= $2,980 diesel savings the first 100k miles.

Assuming fuel prices will stay the same (ya right) $1.50gal for 300k miles a PSD saves $14,840 in fuel.

A V-10 cost for the same truck as spec'd below $30,900 or $.103/mile for 300k miles, I already dicounted the up-front cost of the diesel engine.

I paid $30,900 for my PSD truck so my net cost per mile is $30,900-$14,840= $16,060 or $.0535/mile for 300k miles or 1/2 the V10 cost.

Lets take it one step more. Lets say the average price of fuel, gas and diesel, in the next 5yrs averages $2.10/gal, from 5yrs to 10yrs averages $3.10/gal, using 30k total miles/yr at 70% empty and 30% towing 20,000lbs GCW, V10 8mpg towing 14mpg empty, PSD 12mpg towing 20mpg empty, then we get:

V10= empty fuel cost= $39,000 Towing fuel cost= $29,251 or $68,252 gross fuel cost for 10yrs

PSD= empty fuel cost= $27,300 Towing fuel cost= $19,500 or $46,800 gross fuel cost for 10yrs

PSD saves $21,415 in fuel cost over a V10

Have fun in your hunt for the new TV :)

T_Bone

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Rlach

09-25-2005 10:07:27




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 Re: Diesel---- gas---- new truck in reply to Jerry Bliler, 09-24-2005 19:29:42  
Stay away from Diesel pick-up if you don't need them. Are you a fan of Diesel engine sound ? Buy a VW-TDI and a trailer, it is much cheaper.
Rlach



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tortmort

09-25-2005 07:29:53




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 Re: Diesel---- gas---- new truck in reply to Jerry Bliler, 09-24-2005 19:29:42  
If you do not tow or haul heavy loads then diesel is a complete waste of money. Diesel costs more and the engine is thousands of dollars more to begin with.Off road you pay a price as the diesel weighs at least 500 pounds more. I got 250,000 miles out of my GMC 2500 350 (5.7). Get a good used gas truck or new gas truck. You will never pay back the cost of a new diesel truck. The diesel cost much more to maintain. If you tow or haul heavy loads then go diesel. I would not buy a Toyota, but if you buy a Toyota gas truck and take care of it, it will out last the diesel truck.

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MSM

09-25-2005 07:10:39




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 Re: Diesel---- gas---- new truck in reply to Jerry Bliler, 09-24-2005 19:29:42  
First don"t buy a new truck.You automatically lose about 20% as soon as you drive off the lot. There are plenty of 1-2 year old used ones around with warranty remaining.



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Ray

09-25-2005 11:28:29




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 Re: Diesel---- gas---- new truck in reply to MSM, 09-25-2005 07:10:39  
I"ve found it cheaper to buy a new truck over a used one.Have you checked the price of year or two old truck,usually more than a new one.



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Mike M

09-25-2005 05:56:31




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 Re: Diesel---- gas---- new truck in reply to Jerry Bliler, 09-24-2005 19:29:42  
Car and Trucks are always a lose lose purchase. If you can afford a new one go for it you will help the economy.



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Dwight - VA

09-24-2005 22:49:43




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 Re: Diesel---- gas---- new truck in reply to Jerry Bliler, 09-24-2005 19:29:42  
Try these links.. copy and paste into your browser address window..

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http://trucks.about.com/od/gasvsdiesel/



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CLW

09-24-2005 21:33:54




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 Re: Diesel---- gas---- new truck in reply to Jerry Bliler, 09-24-2005 19:29:42  
I agree with CNKS. If you don't NEED the diesel, don't by one. They last a long time but cost a LOT to fix when they break. CLW



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CNKS

09-24-2005 19:53:57




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 Re: Diesel---- gas---- new truck in reply to Jerry Bliler, 09-24-2005 19:29:42  
(Number of miles driven per year/mpg with gas) *gas price minus (Number of miles driven per year/mpg with diesel) *diesel price = savings per year with diesel. Divide that number into the $5000 or so that a diesel engine costs, that will give you the numnber of years required to get the added cost of your diesel engine back through fuel savings. This does not include the additional cost of the added maintenance the diesel requires. Also assumes that diesel and gas cost the same, the price can go either way. Basically you have to drive a lot of miles to justify the added cost of the engine. It will apply most to those who tow.

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Blackbomb

09-25-2005 07:16:08




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 Re: Diesel---- gas---- new truck in reply to CNKS, 09-24-2005 19:53:57  
Jerry - If you don't mind the rattle (not much of one in the new ones anyway), don't mind the smell, and aren't worried with trying to beat someone at a light - go for the diesel. I don't really NEED one (although I'm using it more and more all the time) but I have NEVER been sorry I paid the extra for the diesel. Mine's a Dodge '01. I've not had a lick of trouble out of her and we're heading to 100,000.

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