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Allan in NE

09-23-2005 06:27:34




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Sorry Guys, but we've had to make some adjustments yet once again..

Three weeks ago, the bulk of our refining capacity was at New Orleans, yesterday we had it planted firmly in the path of Rita at Galveston.

Darn it! This morning, we had to again move this “main” refining capacity to Port Arthur.

Boy! This is a lot of work, moving these resources around like this to get 'em squarely in front of that storm.

Sure wish that thing would settle down, take a stable track and stick to it! :>)

Allan

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sod

09-23-2005 16:10:00




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 Re: Update, Update! in reply to Allan in NE, 09-23-2005 06:27:34  
With ten gallons of gas you can get a couple of tins of sardines.
good luck
sod



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Vern-MI

09-23-2005 11:33:39




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 Re: Update, Update! in reply to Allan in NE, 09-23-2005 06:27:34  
You just had to bring it to the oil companies attention yesterday didn't you. Now look what you've created!

SHUSH!



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Allan in NE

09-23-2005 12:00:45




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 Re: Update, Update! in reply to Vern-MI, 09-23-2005 11:33:39  
Also,

We shouldn't forget the Army Corps of Engineers.

Note to Self: Water always tends to run downhill. :>)

Allan



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JMS/MN

09-23-2005 14:49:23




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 Re: Update, Update! in reply to Allan in NE, 09-23-2005 12:00:45  
You have yet to meet the tiling company that I hired years ago! They were known as 'the downhill tilers'---ie, if water runs downhill- our tile jobs will work. Had to ditch one pothole towards the next low spot- because they 'forgot' it. They all work for other companies now. hmmmmm m..... ...



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Jay (ND)

09-23-2005 11:17:37




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 Re: Update, Update! in reply to Allan in NE, 09-23-2005 06:27:34  
I swear the reporters are sleeping with the commodities traders. The can sensationalize anything. Hey Bob, did you her that Allan filled up all his tractors? Going to be shortage for sure. Add 20 cents to the market. BTW - as I type this the markets are down roughly 10 cents/gallon across the board.



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Mike (WA)

09-23-2005 08:08:14




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 Re: Update, Update! in reply to Allan in NE, 09-23-2005 06:27:34  
Up here in the beautiful Pacific NW, we get all our oil from tankers or from Alaska- refine everything locally- no connection whatsoever to the south- except our prices go up right along with everybody elses! But nobody's price fixin', of course. . . Have been doing some thinking about the other posts regarding weather risks whereever you are. Maybe this area is about the only exception. I don't mind paying for bail outs under most circumstances, except for something so idiotic as living 15 feet below sea level. There oughta be a line drawn somewhere. 12% of our electric bills go to helping salmon in our state, soon to go up to 15%. With all this concern for wetlands and habitat, maybe we ought to just give New Orleans up as a bad job and let the sea reclaim it. One of the concerns now is that they'll rebuild and nobody will come back- fully 50% of the "refugees" have decided not to return. Seems like there is plenty of handwriting on the walls for the politicians to heed. This just in- radio news just said that water is again flowing over the levees and into New Orleans. Film at eleven.

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doogdoog

09-23-2005 14:40:42




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 Re: Update, Update! in reply to Mike (WA), 09-23-2005 08:08:14  
Aloha, We also get our oil from Alaska and Asia and it is refined here (Hawaii). Because of some shade tree legislators over here putting a cap on gas by following the prices on the continental USA, our gas prices went sky high. Next election, we should put a cap on them!. Where do these people come from????? ? As for NO, they should fill in the place and start all over.

Mahalo,
doogdoog

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toolman

09-23-2005 06:39:47




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 Re: Update, Update! in reply to Allan in NE, 09-23-2005 06:27:34  
yup know what you mean, oil bosses up here in canada now are saying all the refining ability is down there , in the path of the storm, so our gas prices are heading up,seems to me alot of those plants i seen next door in alberta must of headed south rather quickly.



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Allan in NE

09-23-2005 06:50:09




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 Re: Update, Update! in reply to toolman, 09-23-2005 06:39:47  
Yep,

I'm sure they are loading trucks like crazy over here in Casper, Wyoming this morning.

They're really gonna have to hurry. :>)

Allan



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Scotmac

09-23-2005 06:36:17




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 Re: Update, Update! in reply to Allan in NE, 09-23-2005 06:27:34  
When those things are 6-800 miles out, why can't we bomb in the middle of them or something to slow them down a tick? Just a dumb farmer's idea!



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buickanddeere

09-23-2005 08:40:01




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 Re: Update, Update! in reply to Scotmac, 09-23-2005 06:36:17  
The power stored in the warm moist air of a hurricane is dispersed over thousands of cubic miles of air volume. There is no central and vulnerable point to hit. As for "bombing" a storm? You could set off a 200 meg nuclear device in the middle of the eye of a storm. That's about then largest warhead usually admitted to. Besides the emp shutting down or damaging all the electrical, radio and electronic equipment for hundreds of miles. That little poof in the middle of a storm would just add more warm moist air to the storm and add to it's power. The radioactive daughters such as iodine cesium, tritium etc. Would make contaminate everything downwind for years.

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toolman

09-23-2005 06:41:24




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 Re: Update, Update! in reply to Scotmac, 09-23-2005 06:36:17  
they seed clouds to create storms, maybe they should try doing it to stop them,you think somebody must be working on something.



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caseyc

09-23-2005 13:15:42




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 Re: Update, Update! in reply to toolman, 09-23-2005 06:41:24  
read an article on MSN yesterday that talked about that. seems they(government)tried alot of cloud seeding in the 60's-70's but it didn't work so they quit in the 80's. they also considered bombs but the energy of the hurricane was too high. they concluded that 24 nucs wouldn't even make a dent.

casey



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toolman

09-23-2005 13:28:56




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 Re: Update, Update! in reply to caseyc, 09-23-2005 13:15:42  
thats about what i figgered, but thought there might be an outside chance that someone somewhere could try something , after all man has been to the moon, robots on mars but we can,t do much when it comes to mom nature i guess.



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Mattlt

09-23-2005 09:00:17




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 Re: Update, Update! in reply to toolman, 09-23-2005 06:41:24  
I've wondered about that too. What about one of those big Bunker Buster bombs? Wouldn't you think the shock would knock the hurricaine for a loop?



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buickanddeere

09-23-2005 20:43:09




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 Re: Update, Update! in reply to Mattlt, 09-23-2005 09:00:17  
A bunker Buster bomb is a flea phart compared to a 200 meg hydrogen. We are talking the bang from 200 thousand tons of TNT. A Bunker Buster is a penetrating round or a shock wave device. If it's a fuel/air such as the Daisy Cutter,then maybe just 50 tons of TNT equivalent?



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Dwight - VA

09-24-2005 07:14:41




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 Re: Update, Update! in reply to buickanddeere, 09-23-2005 20:43:09  
wouldn"t 200 meg mean 200 million tons?

kilo means thousand..



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buickanddeere

09-24-2005 17:53:59




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 Re: Update, Update! in reply to Dwight - VA, 09-24-2005 07:14:41  
Correct, I have to quit trying do even simple math at that time of night.



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e

09-23-2005 07:04:56




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 Re: Update, Update! in reply to toolman, 09-23-2005 06:41:24  
Or better yet, just don't build on the coast so there is nothing to blow down. "Here's your sign" as they say!!!!!



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George in Biloxi

09-23-2005 07:09:42




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 Re: Update, Update! in reply to e, 09-23-2005 07:04:56  
Right. Or, on the prairie for tornados, or in flood plains, or in geological fault zones, yeah, everyone needs a sign.



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brian 1

09-23-2005 09:55:23




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 Re: Update, Update! in reply to George in Biloxi, 09-23-2005 07:09:42  
George and everyone affected by weather- I really feel sorry that you have had losses. I'm sure someone will be sending me blankets in the midwest this winter when heating oil is too high for us to afford being warm. I don't think that the politicians can keep doing everything for everyone even if they "have a sign" for their own stupidity. We all make decisions on risk every day except I don't expect you to bail me out if I make a mistake of my own free will- I'll just learn from it.

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paul

09-23-2005 07:27:31




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 Re: Update, Update! in reply to George in Biloxi, 09-23-2005 07:09:42  
Everyone assumes some risk.

Setting one's self up for total disaster is another thing. Like, the low below sea level parts of New Orleans. Or the deal that cars can't evacuate the Houston area. Or building in the flood plains of Grand Forks or Sioux Falls here locally. Or....

We are all exposed to risk. It is when we foolishly double or triple that risk that it becomes difficult to spend huge sums of money to redo the same mistake over - so in the next 40 years we can have the same horrid disaster all over again.

As to seeding the hurricanes, I saw a fellow on one of the cable news shows this morning that says 10 big plane loads of the baby diaper grit that absorbs water would take 20 mph off the eye & cause it to drop a cat and would be worth doing. It would both cool the eye & take some moisture out if done 'right'. As the newscaster said, most other scientists think he is 'nuts' to quote, but that was the word.

--->Paul

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George in Biloxi

09-23-2005 09:32:57




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 Re: Update, Update! in reply to paul, 09-23-2005 07:27:31  
Everyone has risk, that is a fact. I think New Orleans is a #$&%hole. However, it has been there for over three hundred years. Holland has done it for much longer, New Orleans is one of the 5 biggest ports in the nation. Where would this city move to? In theory, it sounds good, however, that is in reality, ridiculous. The levees should have been reinforced when it was discussed years ago. The Federal government did not want to spend the money.

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caseyc

09-23-2005 08:38:25




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 Re: Update, Update! in reply to paul, 09-23-2005 07:27:31  
where are you paul that you call sioux falls local?

casey



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paul

09-23-2005 08:55:20




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 Re: Update, Update! in reply to caseyc, 09-23-2005 08:38:25  
Well..... I was there 2 times in the past 2 weeks, but I'm over by New Ulm, MN. Some would call that local, some would think it's a distance! :)

--->Paul



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caseyc

09-23-2005 11:00:06




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 Re: Update, Update! in reply to paul, 09-23-2005 08:55:20  
gottcha..... i thought you were over that way. i'm an hour north of sioux falls, that's why i asked.

casey



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Cynicism Runs Rampant

09-23-2005 08:32:53




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 Re: Update, Update! in reply to paul, 09-23-2005 07:27:31  
It would be worth a try, if only as an experiment, the feds have money to toss away on the most useless programs that can be imagined, but let someone outside the "intellectual elite" come up with an idea, and it is written off as a crackpot idea. Just like the hole in the ozone layer that was all the talk a couple of years ago, why not just manufacture the needed ozone and make up at least part of the shortage. But the biggest outcry would come from all the enviormentalists and obstructionists, that would be saying about how it would pollute the ocean or atmosphere, or the contrails from the airplanes would contribute to global warming, or the fish would eat the grit, or the oil companies would profit from the extra fuel used, whatever, these groups and people are never happy.

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buickanddeere

09-23-2005 08:43:12




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 Re: Update, Up Ground level ozone is poisonous. O in reply to Cynicism Runs Rampant, 09-23-2005 08:32:53  
Ground level ozone is poisonous. Ozone at elevations just below satellites protects our behinds.



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paul

09-23-2005 08:56:38




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 Re: Update, Up Ground level ozone is poisonous. O in reply to buickanddeere, 09-23-2005 08:43:12  
Yea - the only issue is transportation then. :)

--->Paul



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buickanddeere

09-23-2005 20:47:50




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 Re: Update, Up Ground level ozone is poisonous. O in reply to paul, 09-23-2005 08:56:38  
How are you going to get hundreds of thousands of tons of ozone carried between six and thirty five miles up?



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RustyFarmall

09-23-2005 07:09:28




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 Re: Update, Update! in reply to e, 09-23-2005 07:04:56  
My thoughts exactly.



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