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Ohio Puller

09-20-2005 19:02:32




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Just thought I would do a little follow up just in case any body interested. Spent about 3 hours in federal cargo securement regulations, as other regulations. Section 393.130 says minimum 4 tiedowns 10,000lb or over. Section 393.128 says under 10,000lb minimum 2 tiedowns. Now these sections cover equipment, tractors, ect. Nowhere could I find it to say anything about tiedowns except they had to be able to handle the G fource of the load and be above the WLL to handle load. Nowhere could I find anything that said tiedowns had to be chains and binders let alone just rachet binders. For my own tractors I'm going to secure with 3\8 grade 70 chains and grade 70 rachet binders just to be safe and keep the law happy.

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720Deere

09-21-2005 08:56:43




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 Re: Chained ??????? in reply to Ohio Puller, 09-20-2005 19:02:32  
Carefully read 393.128 and you will see that it requires that the vehicle be secured in manner that prohibits forward, rearward, vertical or lateral movement using a minimum of 2 tiedowns. You cannot do this with only two chains on a tractor. That is where the DOT cops will get you. You cannot prevent lateral movement with a chain run through a clevis or looped around part of the tractor.

393.128 reads:
§ 393.128 What are the rules for securing
automobiles, light trucks and vans?
(a) Applicability. The rules in this
section apply to the transportation of
automobiles, light trucks, and vans
which individually weigh 4,536 kg.
(10,000 lb) or less. Vehicles which
individually are heavier than 4,536 kg
(10,000 lb) must be secured in
accordance with the provisions of
§ 393.130 of this part.
(b) Securement of automobiles, light
trucks, and vans.
(1) Automobiles, light trucks, and
vans must be restrained at both the front
and rear to prevent lateral, forward,
rearward, and vertical movement using
a minimum of two tiedowns.


Read part b.1 carefully. Eventually you will be asked to prove how 2 chains prevent movement in all directions.

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Dave Olson

09-21-2005 07:06:08




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 Re: Chained ??????? in reply to Ohio Puller, 09-20-2005 19:02:32  
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Here is how we secure our Old Iron.

The H weights about 4100 pounds. We use four 10,000 pound straps, one at each corner. We put gloves on rub spots.

The first time we hauled this tractor, we put the strap thru the back rims. The sharp edge of the rim cut the (brand new strap) in just a few miles!!

Dave Olson - East-Central Illinois

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the tractor vet

09-21-2005 15:32:38




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 Re: Chained ??????? in reply to Dave Olson, 09-21-2005 07:06:08  
Ah yes i know they say good for 10000 lbs BUT you can only use 3385 lbs of that they got ya.and there is now way i would ever haul a tractor with ratchet straps.



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john in la

09-20-2005 20:23:35




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 Re: Chained ??????? in reply to Ohio Puller, 09-20-2005 19:02:32  
With 3/8 grade 70 you are well covered. This chain is rated at 6,600 lbs so you could use it on a 13,200 lb tractor.

Many people give that 4 point rule as true for any size tractor but federal law says 4 chains for over 10,000 lbs. Your state rules may differ but it is hard to say.

Straps can be used on tractors BUT you MUST use edge gaurds and this is the point that most forget about.

Flip over binders while dangerous are legal.

One point to remember is your chains must be marked grade 70. If the tag falls off or the paint wears off they will be considered grade 30 in which case they are only good for 2650 lbs or a 5300 lb tractor.

For your 5500 lb tractor you can use..... ....
7/16 grade 30..... 3700 lbs
5/16 grade 43..... 3900 lbs
or 1/4 grade 70..... .3150 lbs

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the tractor vet

09-21-2005 15:49:21




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 Re: Chained ??????? in reply to john in la, 09-20-2005 20:23:35  
I was haulen new Cat skidsteers from the plant in N. C. and you had to do a 4 point tie down with 60 % hold back and one chain over the loader arms so a total of six chains and binder for a 7000 lbs skidsteer and that was from the fed dot as they were in there inspecting loads leaving the plant. Now if you haul the big stuff like i do everyday you sorta get to know all this as at some point you are going to be talking to them and here in the Buckeye we have a new policy of O tollarance on equipment hauling and oversize and i have the privlige of getting stoped at least once a week and getting screwed with for atleast a half and hour by the portables and the diesel bear.last time i told him that he was interupting my lunch break and i sat there munching a sandwitch and drinking a pepsi and when they were done he told me that i had better get some new chains as i had a couple that were as he put it rusty and he had a hard time finding the G70 stamp.So today we put 267 Dollars worthe of shinny new chain on the trailer the boss is not happy . Next week it will be something else oh and they did say that we need to clean the equipment better , i cleaned the tracks and dusted then off with a broom but it was not good enough for this bozo i asked him if he want me to wash and wax them before i hauled them .

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720Deere

09-21-2005 16:20:43




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 Re: Chained ??????? in reply to the tractor vet, 09-21-2005 15:49:21  
Every guy with a pickup and trailer thinks he is a big trucker, but they don't want to follow the rules. Chances are in the states that I have travelled, you are more likely to be messed with in a pickup w/ trailer than a semi. The DOT cops are cracking down on the "weekend truckers" that gross 30,000 with a 3/4 ton pickup and gooseneck trailer. They are far more dangerous than the worst rigs on the road.

Too many times I have seen guys pull into shows with only two chains and maybe one binder on a tractor and the tractor is bouncing up and down with plenty of slack in the chains. Luckily their big turbo diesel pickups don't have enough brakes to cause a serious shift in the load. The guys that I've been around with rollbacks and semis usually have their stuff chained down right. MD DOT has gotten wise to the pickups. Our cops will pull over just about any pickup that they see towing a skidsteer. Most of these guys do not have the required Class A license or the combination tags required for their load. They usually get them for trailer brakes out of adjustment, non-functioning breakaway, dead breakaway battery, lack of proper safety chains for the trailer, etc. The minimum fine seems to be over $1000! If your load is secured properly, they are less likely to look for other things to pick on you for.

You can read the law and interpret it any way that you feel comfortable, but when the time comes the only opinion that counts is "the man". Just as the tractor vet posted, they dictate how the laws are enforced and they usually lean to the more stringent enterpretation. Chains and binders are cheaper than the fines that they will give you.

As to cleaning tracks, I have always wondered how some of the guys I see get away with it. I see D8s packed with mud flying down the highway on a trailer and I cringe. I wouldn't get 2 miles and I would either get busted or would bust a windshield. The other thing they pick on us for is leaving the chains in a pile in the middle of the floor. I have even seen them gripe about chains and binders laying in a boxed in area between the frame rails. We have set all our trailers up with satisfactory securements for the chains and binders.

If you think that chains and binders are expensive for a 5000 lb tractor, try buying 1/2" grade 100 chain and binders to secure a 75000 lb excavator. Still cheaper than the fines or worse yet a lost load.

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mikeKy

09-20-2005 19:43:13




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 Re: Chained ??????? in reply to Ohio Puller, 09-20-2005 19:02:32  
I have been reading the replies to this post. I have an over the road driver a lot of years with flat beds and have read the regs a lot. You are right as far as you went. The total strenth of the tiedowns, chains, binders, or straps, must be rated at half the weight of the load. They do not specify what kind of binders or what size chain. For example, a grade 43 3/8 chain is weaker than a grade 70 5/16. The chains or straps must be marked as to their rating. If you have a 6000# tractor you must have 2 3000# chains.

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Larry in CO

09-20-2005 20:16:22




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 Re: Chained ??????? in reply to mikeKy, 09-20-2005 19:43:13  
So you're saying it might be a little overkill to chain my Farmall H down using 4 5/16 grade 70 chains with 5400# ratchet tighteners? I back the tractor on and use two chains fore and two aft. I don't X them like Tractor Vet says to do, maybe I should. Nobody has bothered me yet and I've hauled this H and several others for hundreds, if not thousands, of miles chanined like this. Larry



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Ohio puller

09-20-2005 19:08:02




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 Re: Chained ??????? in reply to Ohio Puller, 09-20-2005 19:02:32  
Sorry, went brain dead, chained follw up is on big chain - little chain posted couple days ago.



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