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How big of a tractor????

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BusterB

09-15-2005 13:39:47




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Hi guys. Ive got a question for you. I was wondering what size of tractor i am going to need to pull a 7 shank, 3pt. mounted chisel plow. Could I do it with our 3020, or do you think im going to need to look at something a little bigger. I'm looking for suggestions on tractors (colors not a real issue with me) the rest of our equipment is 12 foot stuff so dont go getting too awful big on me. I really appreciate it.

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Hurst

09-16-2005 08:51:59




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 Re: How big of a tractor???? in reply to BusterB, 09-15-2005 13:39:47  
Look at an allis 7000, 7010, 7020 or 8010. The 7000 series had a little more power to them than the 8000 series due to no EPA regulations and the clouds of black smoke they can make when lugged down. These tractors are powered by 301 allis turbo engines, which are some of the best for fuel efficiency. I would doubt you would use over 3.5 gallons an hour pulling this thing all out. If it is loaded normally, you burn around 2 to 2.5 at most. They are also some of the best priced tractors, simple, and reliable no matter what tranny you get (powershift or powerdirector). I have a 7000 black belly and love it. The 7010 used the same rear end as a 7080 which was a 180 pto hp tractor, and same with the 7020, which is an intercooled 7010. The 7000 has a rearend that is unique to the model, but still a very good rearend for the most that the engine can put out. Good luck

Hurst

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dave from MN

09-16-2005 06:22:25




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 Re: How big of a tractor???? in reply to BusterB, 09-15-2005 13:39:47  
Just get one of the Super H TA's with a turbo. That'll git-r-done.



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Josh H

09-16-2005 05:58:57




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 Re: How big of a tractor???? in reply to BusterB, 09-15-2005 13:39:47  
It depends on your soil and what kind of shanks are on the plow. I don't think the 3020 will do it very well. The 3-point plows aren't as heavy as others, but I think 85 hp would still not be a lot for the plow. A good friend uses a 7 shank 3-point plow with a 125 hp tractor, and it pulls it pretty easily. Best thing to do is hook it up and give it a try though.



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paul

09-16-2005 05:56:28




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 Re: How big of a tractor???? in reply to BusterB, 09-15-2005 13:39:47  
You can make it get by with spike shovel. Don't think it would manage a wider twist 4 inch shovel. What soil do you have? It would not work in my heavy clay soil at all, but you likely have something lighter to even consider it?

Question is, what do you want to accomplish? Chiseling shatters soil, so best to do it in drier conditions, and move kinda fast, and go kinda deep.

You will have problems going deep or fast with such low hp per shovel. You will also put a lot of work on your tractor, going to stress it some.

--->Paul

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James2

09-15-2005 20:05:41




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 Re: How big of a tractor???? in reply to BusterB, 09-15-2005 13:39:47  
Pretty small tractor for 7 shanks, unless you are not going very deep, or are in sandy soil. I agree with the recommendations to use 5 shanks. I pulled 5 spike shanks 8-10 deep with the JD 830 which showed 85 bhp on the dyno, and that was enough load. Tried 7 and the going was very slow. I'm sure the load would be significantly increased, if 3-4 inch twists were on rather than the spikes. We pulled eleven shanks 9-10 inches deep using 180 bhp, and the tractor had to work pretty hard. In years past, we plowed everything. Since that time (which is still a long time ago) dad and the younger brother went to no-till. I'm back in the saddle (not the home place, but my own) and was completely surprised how much power it requires to pull a chisel, hence the demise of using the JD830. My recommendation would be to go for at least 110 to 120 bhp. A JD4320 would be a nice addition, although a little overkill for 12ft stuff. Could you reasonably rent a bigger tractor?

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evielboweviel

09-15-2005 17:07:20




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 Re: How big of a tractor???? in reply to BusterB, 09-15-2005 13:39:47  
try it if it pulls too hard take two shanks off. If you like the job it does and want to pull it with all the shanks then get a bigger tractor.
Ron



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Doug in IL

09-15-2005 16:40:47




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 Re: How big of a tractor???? in reply to BusterB, 09-15-2005 13:39:47  
I once had a pull type 9 shank Krause chisel plow with the twisted shovels. 4 inch shovels, I think. I pulled it ok with a somewhat tired 4020 in most of the local silt loam soils. Usually 8 or 9 inches deep. I think I used 4th gear most of the time. However, in heavy clay or in badly compacted areas, I had to remove 2 shanks. A mounted plow might pull a little easier.



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