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Harley

09-03-2005 13:15:38




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Anybody have a difinitive answer on whether or not we can use the off road fuel for road trucks or not. Have heard scuttlebut, but nothing for sure. Want to KNOW for sure before pumping. Thanks, Harley




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mike j

09-03-2005 16:26:22




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 Re: Dyed Fuel in reply to Harley, 09-03-2005 13:15:38  
for the answer go to Link yes you can but are still required to send the buggers there money for tax mike j



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txgrn

09-03-2005 15:20:54




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 Yes if you have deep pockets!!!!! in reply to Harley, 09-03-2005 13:15:38  
In Texas, if DOT (Department of Transportation which includes the State Troopers) finds red fuel in an OTR vehicle it's an automatic $2000 first offense.

Some people don't want to use MMO in their fuel cause they are worried about the red color. Believe me, the misiscule amount of MMO in your fuel is pale incomparison to the dye put into farm fuel.

Mark



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Delbert from Lincoln

09-03-2005 17:30:58




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 Re: Yes if you have deep pockets!!!!! in reply to txgrn, 09-03-2005 15:20:54  
Here in Nebraska, the govener when asked if he was going to lower or reduce the state taxes on gasoline to help out the people, He said no. The state needs the money for the road funds, and he does not have that power anyway. Only the legislature can change the tax. They are on recess until Jan 1. So I am sure the same applies to diesel.



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Redmud

09-03-2005 14:16:25




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 Re: Dyed Fuel in reply to Harley, 09-03-2005 13:15:38  
You can go to the EPA web site, or read this.
Wednesday, August 31, 2005

Thank you very much. Today, I am exercising my authority under the Clean Air Act to temporarily waive specific standards for gasoline and diesel fuels to ensure that the Hurricane Katrina natural disaster does not result in serious fuel supply interruptions around the country.

As we are all well aware, we are seeing increasingly serious impacts from the hurricane in a number of fuel markets around the United States. Yesterday afternoon I exercised this authority with respect to four states: Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and Florida. It has become clear that the consequences of the hurricane have become more widespread. So today, I’m sending letters to the governors of the remaining 46 states and territories providing temporary relief from volatility and sulfur standards. This action will result in a needed increase in fuel supply.

These waivers are necessary to ensure that fuel is available throughout the country to address public health issues and emergency vehicle supply needs. Under the Clean Air Act emergency authority, I am making the waivers effective through September 15, 2005. These waivers only apply to volatility standards - the rate at which fuel evaporates - and the amount of sulfur in fuel.

EPA is committed to working with our state and federal partners to address this extraordinary national disaster.

Thank you very much.

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txgrn

09-03-2005 15:22:41




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 Re: Dyed Fuel in reply to Redmud, 09-03-2005 14:16:25  
It ain't the fuel hygiene. It's the 40 cents a gallon road tax they're after.

Mark



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Redmud

09-03-2005 15:31:44




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 Re: Dyed Fuel in reply to txgrn, 09-03-2005 15:22:41  
I understand that Mark, And I ain't telling them I didn't pay it.



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Bus Driver

09-03-2005 14:49:27




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 Re: Dyed Fuel in reply to Redmud, 09-03-2005 14:16:25  
The EPA is one thing, the tax authorities are another. There are lots of ways to get gigged on the use of the wrong fuel. But looks like we are getting closer.



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Bus Driver

09-03-2005 14:06:20




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 Re: Dyed Fuel in reply to Harley, 09-03-2005 13:15:38  
Do a Google search for "dyed Diesel Fuel". Look at the Forbes site. The Feds have suspended their tax temporarily. But usually States have the greater tax. My thought is that both the State in question and the Feds must suspend the tax for it to be legal to use the fuel in that State. Probably the bottom line is that it will not all come together for drivers traveling multiple States.



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ben brown

09-03-2005 13:20:25




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 Re: Dyed Fuel in reply to Harley, 09-03-2005 13:15:38  
heard the same but was wondering about warenty some mf won,t cover pump, injectors if red fuel is used. that is truck mf. i think i want to make sure first before using



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Harley

09-03-2005 15:45:58




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 Re: Dyed Fuel in reply to ben brown, 09-03-2005 13:20:25  
Thanks guys, but you foolks are having the same trouble I am. The answers might be there, but after reading all of the articles in that Forbes site, and EPA bullitins etc. I don't know any more now than I did when I asked my silly question. But look at the bright side, I'm not slamming anybody today. :-) Harley


P.S. If anyone really knows, I live in Mo. Haul for myself only in Mo. and still would like to know if I can run off road fuel in a truck. Thanks a bunch you guys. Harley

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John M

09-03-2005 16:07:58




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 Re: Dyed Fuel in reply to Harley, 09-03-2005 15:45:58  
Why chance the BIG fine youll proabaly have to pay when you get caught! EPA says you cna do it for now,but after that,nope. PLUS, it will take several tankfuls to get out the red, so when the stop you theyll find the red and fine you!



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Harley

09-03-2005 16:10:25




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 Re: Dyed Fuel in reply to John M, 09-03-2005 16:07:58  
Ya that's what I'm afraid of. I can carry 360 gallon, and that would last me a year no more than I run. Harley



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Redmud

09-03-2005 16:17:47




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 Re: Dyed Fuel in reply to Harley, 09-03-2005 16:10:25  
At Treasury, the IRS today announced that we have waived a tax regulation that will immediately increase the available supply of diesel fuel nationwide by allowing dyed diesel fuel, which is ordinarily not subject to federal excise taxes because it is intended for off-road use in farm equipment or in government vehicles such as school buses, to be used on-road. This will immediately increase the usable supply of diesel fuel nationwide, which is especially needed in Gulf Coast relief efforts. At a time like this, the tax treatment of fuel is far less important than getting fuel to those who need it, particularly those involved in the transportation of food and medical supplies to those affected by the hurricane.

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Harley

09-03-2005 17:55:27




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 Re: Dyed Fuel in reply to Redmud, 09-03-2005 16:17:47  
Thanks mike j. Seems you have found the proverbial needle in the haystack. It is maiinly to help the availability of fuel, not reduce the cost, as others have said, we would still be responsible for the .244 cent per gallon tax, we would jkust have to fill out yet another form to put this on. Guess I'll have to stick with on-road stuff. Got a barrel full of cheap stuff and it will last a long time no more than I use. Thanks again, Harley

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