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O.T. 2000 Powerstroke Crankshaft Positioning Senso

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Gus

08-13-2005 16:31:35




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Was having trouble starting my powerstroke. 85,000 miles. Changed fuel filter, drained water, put fuel conditioner, etc. Called the dealer and talked with a fairly knowledgeable parts guy. He said they sell a bunch of these sensors, but he couldn"t explain what they do. Couldn"t guarantee that was the problem. They were about to close for the weekend so I raced up there and picked one up. 180 retail, sold it to me for 150. About the size and shape of an inhaler. Unplugged and unbolted the old one, replaced it, everything works great. So just what do these things do? Tied in with fuel somehow? Parts guy actually made a follow up call the next Monday to see if it worked! Big dealership he"s at. I was impressed.

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John M

08-14-2005 06:10:33




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 ` in reply to Gus, 08-13-2005 16:31:35  
Keep an extra in the glove box along with the tools to change it,and get your next one at a International truck dealership,they are cheaper there than at Ford.Also check out ebay.From time to time theres 100 or so listed and you can get them cheaper than that. I paid 130 bucks for 4 of them,I have used one. She dies on my going down the hwy. Glad I had my tools in he glove box as well. (Although I fell bad recommending this,check out thedieselstop.com. Loads of info on there)

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Silver Pig

08-14-2005 09:22:05




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 Re: ` in reply to John M, 08-14-2005 06:10:33  
Ahh, dieselstop.com, the 2cd biggest source of idiocy on the www. Lots of whiners b###hing and moaning about Ford not honoring the warranty, when the vehicle has been modified and abused, most of the rest made up of high school kids dreaming of their truck, or want to be truck drivers. Take anything and everything posted there with several tablespoons of salt, better yet treat it all as a joke.



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John M

08-14-2005 10:54:21




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 Re: I agree in reply to Silver Pig, 08-14-2005 09:22:05  
Thats why I was reluctant to send him in that direction.BUT..... . larry and Smokey are no longer mods,so it may accually get better again. I havent posted in sometime,but do cherck in very other day or so just to see..... .



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RusselAZ

08-13-2005 21:55:19




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 Re: O.T. 2000 Powerstroke Crankshaft Positioning S in reply to Gus, 08-13-2005 16:31:35  
You all have the general idea. The cam sensor on a 7.3 power stroke is the only sensor that tells the injector controller where cylinder #1 and cylinder #4 is in the rotation. Any missing or garbled signal that the ECM can't recognize will instantly shut off the engine. And I mean Right Now! IT also sets a code which tells a technician esentially to change the sensor. If you didn't have the codes cleared you need to have it done as the code will stay in the ECM forever. Clearing has to be done with a scan tool.

Any one that owns a powerstroke needs to carry a spare cam sensor and know how to change it.

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Jerry Cent. Mi.

08-14-2005 06:06:46




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 Re: O.T. 2000 Powerstroke Crankshaft Positioning S in reply to RusselAZ, 08-13-2005 21:55:19  
The CPS sensor is a comon problem with the 7.3 diesal. I understand they are availble on E-Bay or Navistar cheaper than at Ford.



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Gus

08-14-2005 03:59:35




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 Re: O.T. 2000 Powerstroke Crankshaft Positioning S in reply to RusselAZ, 08-13-2005 21:55:19  
OK, just to clear it up for me- Is it a crankshaft or camshaft sensor. Or does it have both, and a matter of time before the other one, whatever it's called fails? I have heard of slushy fuel, icing, just never heard of wax. Makes sense. I guess if a guy wants to be a backyard mechanic and fix these things himself, a scanner might be handy. Probably couldn't afford it. Thanks for all the replies. Gus

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Tom in TN

08-13-2005 20:54:03




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 Re: O.T. 2000 Powerstroke Crankshaft Positioning S in reply to Gus, 08-13-2005 16:31:35  
Gus,

Okay, you guys, you have to promise not to laugh. I have a 1997 Ford Ranger with the 2.3 Liter, 4 cylinder engine. I think that probably the crankshaft position sensor on my little tiny truck does essentially the same thing as the crankshaft position sensor on your big trucks.

It is a little magnetic pickup coil that mounts near the crankshaft pulley. It senses top dead center (or some particular number of degrees before TDC) on your number one piston. It uses that information to synchronize the fuel injection, (and ignition on a gasoline engine). You probably also have a cam position sensor that is used likewise to help determine if there is any lag between your cam timing and crankshaft timing, to enable the electronic control module to adjust for any lag.

My Ranger actually has about a half a dozen sensors on it, all of which feed to the electronic control module which controls both my fuel injection and my ignition timing.

I replaced my crankshaft position sensor recently, and the part cost less than $20.00 at AutoZone.

Well, if this ain't right for your big ol' truck, somebody will tell us.

Good luck,

Tom in TN

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kyhayman

08-13-2005 20:04:13




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 Re: O.T. 2000 Powerstroke Crankshaft Positioning S in reply to Gus, 08-13-2005 16:31:35  
I cant add anything specific on the Fords but I got the class on them on Chrysler products this spring. Had one quit on my '01 Cummins, lost the tach but nothing else. They tell me that normally when they fail they cause the truck to not run due to control of fuel injection timing. One month to the day later the one on my 95 Intrepid went out, car wouldnt run, does something to trigger the coil pack to fire.

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Vern-MI

08-14-2005 05:22:48




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 Re: O.T. 2000 Powerstroke Crankshaft Positioning S in reply to kyhayman, 08-13-2005 20:04:13  
Neighbors Chrysler 300M also had a problem with erratic transmission shifting. The dealer changed both the engine and transmission output shaft speed sensors (magnetic pickup) and that solved the problem.



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showcrop

08-13-2005 17:58:33




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 Re: O.T. 2000 Powerstroke Crankshaft Positioning S in reply to Gus, 08-13-2005 16:31:35  
I had the same thing on my 2001 stroker at about the same mileage. It was very cold at the time so at first we treated for wax, but the problem kept getting worse. It"s my understanding that it senses lubrication to the front camshaft bearing.



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Bob

08-13-2005 23:03:53




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 Re: O.T. 2000 Powerstroke Crankshaft Positioning S in reply to showcrop, 08-13-2005 17:58:33  
Now, THAT'S a good one!!!



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Gus

08-13-2005 18:25:58




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 Re: O.T. 2000 Powerstroke Crankshaft Positioning S in reply to showcrop, 08-13-2005 17:58:33  
Mine mounted at the front crank pulley with a pointer on the pulley like timing? What's the wax problem? Haven't heard of it.



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Davis In SC

08-13-2005 21:35:32




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 Re: O.T. 2000 Powerstroke Crankshaft Positioning S in reply to Gus, 08-13-2005 18:25:58  
Gus, Wax is a problem with Diesels in extreme low temps. Fuel crystalizes into wax..Suspended water adds to the problem. known as icing... I am lucky, living in the South.. I probably have more wax in my ears than in my fuel... :^)



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T_Bone

08-14-2005 09:13:24




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 Re: O.T. 2000 Powerstroke Crankshaft Positioning S in reply to Davis In SC, 08-13-2005 21:35:32  
Hi Gus,

John M gave a accurate discription of what a CPS does on a PSD. In late 2001 Ford changed the CPS to gold contacts and that has seamed to help keep the CPS going as failure reports dropped. You didn't get raped to bad on price. Anywhere from $89 to $125 is pretty common at on-line Ford Dealers. International dealers also carry them.

Slow cranking speed can also cause a PSD not to start. A PSD has to crank more than 200rpm to start so keep your battery's fresh in cold climantes. 3 to 5yrs seam to be a common time on the Ford MC battery's in cold country. Me, I'm replacing mine with Optima blue tops when the time comes.

If you live in a cold climnate then fuel suppliers change the diesel to a cold weather mix to keep the fuel from gelling.

Here in S. AZ we don't get cold enough for the fuel suppliers to use winter diesel and I have add my own gel protection. I use Power Service (white bottle) when I'm planning on heading to the cold country and it's going to be less than 0º, well I really use 20º as the add point.

Un-Gelling diesel takes about 12hrs of heat, some times less with using Power Service 911.

T_Bone

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